You fight for more than just entertainment.
You fight with and show class, respect, discipline, and tradition. Don’t feel bad for sticking up for yourself.
I agree, when you said you had more to lose than to win in the fight with Rashad. That fight wouldn’t really change anything. Not only do you have a ‘name’ ‘reputation’ and ‘legacy’ you fight for ‘us’ your true fans. It means a lot to us that you care more about giving us a spectacular performance especially on such short notice. The UFC and Dana White are stingy and expect people their ‘fighters’ to move on their terms.
Don’t take the risk if it is unnecessary nor will it help you get any closer to the belt. You already beat Rashad. Just keep training hard and I have no doubt that you will get YOUR BELT back soon enough.
Your true and loyal fans (including me) are behind you and support you.
Good work Lyoto. If Dana wanted to save his promotion and the PPV dollars then he needed to secure a big main event. You would have to put your career on the line by taking a fight at short notice to help him out. That deserves a bigger than usual pay day. I can’t believe Dana can’t see that.
Lessons learned for Team Machida, if your intent was to not accept the fight don’t accept it at all. As you all know Dana White is very skeptical about fighter’s who try to be pre madonna’s in his organization. You have to deal with your financials internally not out to the media. Don’t post that your ready to fight Jon Jones or anybody on in line for the interim belt and then decline a fight because you weren’t prepared. Machida showed a lot of skiptism in this situation, you can say all you want but I can guarantee he wont get a title shot anytime soon.
Good decision. Give Machida somebody he has not fought before, or a rematch vs jackson. Nobody wants to see vs. rashad evans again. It is boring. You need good challenges to rebuild yourself. I believe you are on your way back. Good luck. And thank you for keeping traditional karate alive.
A arrogância predomina nos covardes. Nunca gostei desse seu jeito superior de ser sempre pregando o karate, mas usando o jiu-jítsu pra ganhar as lutas. Você é uma vergonha para classe de lutadores brasileiros. Você Nunca vai chegar aos pés do Anderson silva por que ele tem raça tem sangue nas veias ele é BRASILEIROOOO
I totally agree that he didnt have enough time to prepare, but here is the dilemna. Why ask for more money? trust me the boss (Dana White) hate’s that kind of attitude. Machida’s team should have known better, Lyoto has always carried himself as a humble individual but with this new attitude about making $$$ Dana White’s perception of him has changed, not to mention Dana has already mentioned money has already played mind games with him and that’s why he lost the belt.
Advice for Machida’s TEAM – Never ask for a title shot and don’t talk about money around the media. Fight like you use to and always be prepared, take on tough fights not easy ones. Be humble again and keep your mouth shut and maybe Dana will feel some some remorse and give you a title shot. Your dealing with the UFC and Dana White owns the organization he holds your future…..
See how Rampage got a title shot!!! don’t argue with the boss. Show that you want to put on a show for the fans.We all know that you beat Rampage but look where humbliness has gotten him. 2 losses and then 2 wins got him a title shot, I highly doubt that even if Machida gets a win on his next fight he is still 2 – 3 fights away……
I was so excited when I heard that lyoto was going to fight Rashad Evans again. I thought it was the perfect opportunity for Lyoto to get right back to the title and challenge Jon Jones or Rampage, more likely Jones. I think Lyoto’s Style matches up well against Jon Jones and of all the LHW’s he is most likely to win. I think in a rematch with Rashad he holds all the aces. I dont think Rashad can strike with Lyoto and I dont think he would be able to close the distance and work for a Takedown. After hearing Lyoto refused the fight, and for money I felt so disappointed, what about everything he stands for, everything Karate stands for. Honour, respect, bravery, courage. I thought Lyoto fights for pride, and for the honour and Legacy of his father, who ventured across the world, without knowing the language, without knowing anybody, without fear. He did not play it safe, he took a risk for a better life. I feel that money has perhaps corrupted all those things Lyoto and Karate stand for. What happened to the Lyoto that fought Michael McDonald with Dengue fever?
Lyoto was My Idol and still is, a modern day Lee Jun-fan (Bruce Lee), fighting against opponents he should lose to, fighting prejudice, fighting people’s preconceptions, fighting the world of MMA with a ancient and honourable mindset.
Lyoto is still my hero and I wish him all the success in the world.
Okay people, let’s pull our heads out of our asses for just a minute hear, before writing off someone so quickly.
First, we already know what type of man Dana White is, how he treats people, and how 2-faced he is.
Second, as has been discussed on this thread before, we already know Dana doesn’t like Machida for the type of fighter he is, and various other reasons.
Third, Machida has always in the past treated others and the sport with nothing but respect, and lived up to the true Budo spirit (those of you who don’t understand this word, need not speak again until you have educated yourselves).
So, when Machida responds, after Dana’s “trashing” of him, with the simple comment, “there are two sides to every story”, don’t you think that just might mean it is Dana who is being two-faced, exagerating the truth, and being disrespectful? Don’t you think, maybe, just maybe, Dana is using this as an opportunity to keep down a fighter he already doesn’t like? How about weighing out these facts, looking at each man’s past history, before passing judgement. Those of you “so-called” fans who have been so quick to jump the gun should be ashamed of yourselves and immediately apologize to Mr. Machida. Thoses of you parasites, whose names I have never seen before on this site, who have swooped in to take shots of Mr. Machida, well, you can kiss my ass!
Well done Lyoto. Dana white just tried to make himself look like a victim and came across very petty in what was likely just unclear communication between the two parties. Let me get this straight you offer a fight to Lyoto with No time, No title shot guarantee if he wins, and No extra money so he can end his vacation, and fly himself and his team to the states? Sounds like Dana needed a favor, you call friends for favors not business partners. And then Dana acts like he threw Machida a bone and Lyoto threw it back in his face. You want to throw Lyoto a bone? How about that rematch with Rampage? Dana will probably give Lyoto a fight with Shogun next after he beats griffin. Mr. white can prolong the inevitable all he likes, Lyoto will get that belt back one way or another. Lastly while Lyoto is my favorite, and Anderson Silva really is the best, this whole accomplish what Silva has in the sport is a stupid point by Dana. Give Lyoto a fight with Sonnen (or anybody at 185 for that matter)and see what happens. Anderson is truly a 205 fighter and he fights in a weak division. I’m a huge anderson fan and this isn’t a point to knock him, just a statement of facts. There hasn’t been a single fighter A.S. has beat in the UFC that Lyoto wouldn’t tear apart. Look how easily he dominated Franklin. What Dana should of said is make me the money that A.S. has, then you can get paid that way.
Your comment is bang on. I would most likely believe Machida than Dana. Funny, when I first read the popular media version, I felt immediately that Machida would NOT have said that. I felt it was twisted or misunderstood version of what was said from Machida’s team.
Peter – We all agree how unfair Dana White can be, but the reality is he controls the UFC and Machida is employed by the organization. Wether we like it or not Dana is the hand that feeds the fighters if he doesnt like you because you demand more money Machida can be on the wrong end of the stick. Trust me, there is no other organization out there better than the UFC they even own strikeforce you can scratch that out. I’m not bashing Lyoto here just stating the facts that he can be on the wrong end of the stick and that title shot can get very distant quickly when you dont follow what the boss say’s.
Dana is an ass and a disgrace as president of the UFC! Dana, I will tell you why you are an ass.
1. You are the leader of the UFC family. Respect the personalities, differences and idiosyncrasies of your fighters, and keep those negotiations within the organization, “behind closed doors.” Be professional and do not bad-mouth your fighters to the world. I get the respect from my children NOT by airing their dirty laundry to the public for the purpose of humiliating them. Similarly, I do not make a public announcement after my employee asks for a raise…it remains private! Your athletes are literally, born-fighters (especially Lyoto), and are not business people like you are, to negotiate the way you want. These awesome fighters are the ones who UFC fans come to see, paying good money time after time…NOT to see you, Mr. “I am little Hitler with the bald head” Dana White.
2. Face it White, you were in a pickle when Davis dropped out, especially when fans have already paid for the tickets. You relied on your fighters to bail you out at the last minute, while their reputation is at stake. I am sorry, but he other athlete(s) that you had mentioned as back-ups do not sell seats. YOU KNOW that Lyoto puts on a good show and even controversies surrounding him start armchair conversations. You were quick to bad-mouth an athlete who was instantly going to put his reputation on the line to save the event. It was your own arrogance that got Lyoto to re-think why anyone would let you take advantage of them without negotiating the paycheck. An employee will step up if the employer was a respectable and a respectful one. It is pretty obvious to the fans that you have never liked Lyoto. Now, you just found a reason and ran with it, parading it around town. Tito stepped up because you finally respected him enough (for what he did for the UFC) to pay for his back surgery.
3. Giving a crappy proposal to an eager fighter and expecting him to say “yes sir, thank you for the bone, sir”…and bad-mouthing him in public shows no honor, Dana White. This was a special circumstance that needed special compensation, which you were not offering initially, jackass.
4. I will leave you with this humbling thought. There are many Dana Whites out there to replace you when the time comes, but special athletes like Lyoto Machida only come once in a lifetime. Be the torch that carries their flame for the world to see and admire, not the ass that will get burned by that same flame!
Peter you a 100% right & DR MMA as well I have alot of respect for both of you. I personally am glad Lyoto didn’t take that fight. What did he have to gain? Dana White’s influence towards the media that didn’t look like Rashad Evans he’s been off a year etc…. Rashad would look like he did the first time. It was also unfair for Rashad Evans aswell. Rashad has said ”The UFC picks it’s champions it’s not fair” he’s 100% right Look at jon Jones he got a title shot by beating nobody in the top 10 we all thought Ryan Bader was the next big thing but clearly he aren’t we can all see that now seeing how tito beat him. And he fought a Shogun who was well below par we all knew it would go that way look what happened last time he had a lay off like that he got submitted by Griffen who also is a fantastic fighter. Jones is saying he’s going to beat Rampage because he had a competetive decision to hammil where as he dominated. Even though he lost due to mental weakness… That means Tito is going to be the champ then because he beat Bader quicker and better then you did haha… The UFC is full of contradictions, hypocrytes, and unconsistant behaviour! Lyoto you are the man! We your true fans love you OSS!! ”My body is my spirit my mind is my blade without them i’d be nothing!”
Don’t get caught up in this soap opera. Dana White is a man and a good business man. He’s not going to bicker and hold a grudge forever. Just keep fighting and do what you do best. Let your actions speak for you.
oh well he wanted more money.. haven’t you ever asked for a raise Marky? They fight in the ufc because its the best organization in the world not because they pay the most money… affliction when it was still up and running paid they’re champs about 5 times as much and they weren’t even as good as an organization or as big.
By the years end I think Lyoto will be back on top he is the man that is best equipped to take Jones and if Rampage beats Jones well it will be even easier for Machida to regain the title. He was robbed the first fight with Rampage it still sickens me ill bet Dana influenced the judges because he doesnt like Machida and its plain to see but if Lyoto just kicks everybodys ass then he cant get rid of him lol.
Lyoto Machida and / or his team has every right to ask for more money. Lyoto is risking his legacy and it’s a short notice fight. There is no doubt in my mind, that Lyoto is in great shape and could easily fight if he wanted, but he is a top athlethe and a very very humble and good human being, allways respecting his opponents and the fans. He is fighting in the biggest MMA organisation so his opponent are equallly motivatet as him. So doing Dana a favor, risking your career and not getting payed a bit more sound very greedy to me. I hope the real fans (as my self) will encourage you to continue to fight the way you do Lyoto, with pride, honour, respect and disciplin. You are truly one of a kind.
One day, every body in the Octagon will BOOO Dana White and he will be forced to resign or sell the UFC to somebody who will respect its fighters. What he has said to Media about Lyoto is so disrespectful. Lyoto is an awesome fighter and trains hard. He is absolutely right to ask for more money after all it is such a short notice.
DANA, RESPECT YOUR FIGHTERS NOW OR ELSE, REAL UFC FANS WILL BRING YOU DOWN IN THE OCTAGON. YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO STEP IN YOUR OWN SHOW (FIGHT ARENA).
Lyoto should be getting more. look at his payouts.He went undefeated for quiet some time before he was even given a title shot. I believe UFC has gone the way of marketing and media. The sport is popular already. Stop the politics and get back to the fighters. Who really deserves what. Dana is a cheep basterd. if He really wants to make money he should put himself on the card against Lyoto. I would pay a million dollars to see a front kick to his face.
hi guys, these a few days i had some spare time and i re-watched lyoto vse shogun rua 1 fight. i watched it almost frame by frame 3 time within 1 week. so there are a few things i do not get. the fightmetrics shows that lyoto landed only a few head strikes and was very good with body strikes whereas shogun landed almost 2x head strikes and much less body shots. here is what i got round by round
round 1 lyoto lands 2 head strikes, 9 bodyshots,3 leg kicks.
round1 shogun:1 head strike, 4 body shots, 5 leg kicks (and 5 leg kicks when are clinched against the wall)
round 2machida:3 head strikes,5 body shots,4 leg kicks
round2 shogun:1 head strike, 6 body strikes, 4 leg kicks
round3 machida:7-9 head strikes (last flurry of punches was very difficult to count), 7 body shots,3 leg kicks
round3 shogun:3 head strikes, 4 body shots, 8 leg kicks (and 5-6 leg kicks when are clinched against the wall)
round4 machida:3 head strikes, 1 body shots, 2 leg kicks
round4 shogun: 2 head strikes, 3 body shots, 6 leg kicks
round5 machida:2 head strikes, 2 body shots, 0 leg kicks
round5 shogun :4 head strikes, 2 body shots, 5 leg kicks ( and 2 against the wall).
so, in total i have head strikes machida-17 head strikes
shogun -11 shogun
bodyshots machida- 24 body shots
shogun-19 body shots
leg kicks machida-12, shogun-28 (plus 12-13 when clinched)
a few more observations- machida’s leg kicks were aimed below the knea and were not so strong. machida’s legs
started to hurt in round 2 close the end.joe rogan was talking shit- machida landed a body kick, joe rogan says it was a high kick, shogun missed the knee kick- rogun says it landed, shogun threw a counter combo and lands only good leg kick and we hear- a body kick by shogun.
you guys should watched the fight carefully.
personally i would say that round 1 and 3 machida took hands down. round 2 machida barely edged. round 4 shogun edged, round 5 machida was trying to survive.
so, would like to hear from you guys.
I agree. Machida countered to Shogun’s face on most of Shogun’s attacks. But, because Shogun’s leg kicks seemed so big, and surprised everyone that Machida was getting hit for the first time ever, no one noticed the counter punches. I think what swayed most people, Joe Rogan’s comments aside, was the fact that no one had ever seen Machida hit and hurt before, so every time Shogun landed, that’s all anyone noticed. I call “bullshit” to all those people, but that just my opinion. Anyways, thanks for taking the time to analyze. Oss!
seriously, this goes for anything dana white says about any fighter. treat it as bs. the guy has an agenda for everything he says. tito should have been out the ufc ages ago. glad to see him getting one last hurrah. jackson should definitely not be challenging for a title. anderson silva should definitely move up to fight the likes of rashad jackson bones shogun, he destroyed forrest and even showed him mercy by not finishing the fight a lot sooner.
machida is going in the right direction, he just needs a fight against someone asap. he would have killed sonned but the racist cr*p that wouldve come out of sonnens mouth would not be acceptable for any decent person. i think machida will get a title shot if he wins his next 2 fights. shogun will lose to forrest if he is still in a bad shape and jackson will beat jones. i think machida will be fighting jackson again but it will be for the title.
Where is the Chris Leben mentality??? True fighters are always prepared…especially against someone he’s already beaten…Dana can pretty much do what he wants…he’s taken this business to heights that has made it such a great event to watch. I’m pretty sure he deserves to be upset if things do not go as he likes regardless of his public displays of disagreement. It’s just as short notice for Rashad as well. Why wouldn’t you want to fight a guy like Rashad and be able to shut him up twice?? I figure that a 30 minute notice would be enough time to make a decision about that…So this is probably how it’s gonna go down…Rampage-Jones winner gets the winner of Evans-Ortiz unless Ortiz wins…they aren’t going to throw Shogun back in the mix yet and I think the next two in like would be Machida and Rashad…We’ve seen fighters go “have the best training camp” of their lives and still come out and give a bad performance…It’s all about mentality…you can train all you want to but at the end of the day, if your head isn’t right, your just a person who’s in darn good shape…
I disagree. Lyoto is a true fighter. The fact that he turned down the fight does not indicate otherwise. It was not just as short notice for Rashad. He was already in camp. Only his opponent changed. Lyoto had to cut weight, train and study his opponent all in 3 weeks. Dana wouldn’t even let him do it in Brazil, insisting he fly to the U.S immediately for camp. A true fighter can overcome his ego and make rational decisions even when it pains him to do so. He knows and respects his opponent and does not sell himself and his fans short by going into a fight underprepared.
Machida is one of the best fighters in the world and deserves the pay he asked for. Dana sucks because he wants to put Strikeforce events on PPV against our wishes, but when one of his best fighters on the UFC roster asks for more pay, he can’t or wont accommodate him, That’s pretty weak. I bet if is was Rampage or SLOWgun, he woulkd have given them the pay they asked for! WAR MACHIDA!
According to your logic Lboogie, an excellent surgeon (who may normally take the minimal x-amount of time to prepare equipment and study the diagnostics before doing a surgery, whether it is 2 minutes or 2 weeks – pending his comfort time) can perform top-notch surgery on you without that usual prep time? This does not even include the surgeon’s daily simplistic ritual of coffee (or any other thing that would get the surgeon comfortable and focused)! Watch what you say, because you may one day have an excellent surgeon who will “work on the fly” on you! Better yet, I hope you will be known for the crappy work that you will do in your career (because of no prep time) and with no one to blame but yourself for taking on the “crunch-time” job. Karma is bitch, Lboogie!
BTW, well said Jamie with every point…especially when you pointed out that Rashad HAS BEEN PREPARING THE WHOLE TIME.
Machida is by far my favorite and most esteemed MMA fighter. Unfortunately Dana is a master promoter and Machida’s managers blundered. Lyoto DOES come off looking greedy even though that’s not the real story. Dana is a propagandist and while the hardcore fan knows that Machida is the most technically skilled LHW fighter in the UFC his style and humble personality don’t sell fights to the core fanbase (Brock Lesnar fans for instance).
Train for the Muy Thai of Shogun, the wrestling of Jones and Rashad and the boxing of Rampage. Have your game plan for all these fighters laid out now and actually be ready to pick up a fight against any of them at a moments notice.
The way the UFC promotes fights you need to fight 3 or 4 times a year, even against guys who don’t deserve a shot. This will give you needed winning streaks, familiarity with more fans, and thus more financial reason for Dana to put you in a title shot. You are harder to prepare for on short notice than anyone else is so don’t let opportunities like this pass by again, you’ll be lucky at this rate to fight again before 2012.
Dana has said that he won’t hold it against you but Dana is just saying what will make him look like the bigger person while denying you a deserved shot. Remember that you had to go undefeated and beat former champions, and win a fight by knockout before you got a title shot. I would bet that you’ll have to beat one of the guys who hold wins over you AND knock someone out again before you get another title shot so focus on getting a fight, any fight.
Also, never stop evolving. Most fighters just plan for what was done in the past by the person they will fight next.
I agree with your statements, but it is really possible to prepare for three seperate top 5 fighers at the same time. Lyoto is very good, but Jones, Shogun, and Rashad are very different fights. It maybe possible, to train for all 3 at once is stretching it even for a professional fighers. I doubt even Greg Jackson could pull that one off.
I think Dana was just mad about it came across. And I agree Lyoto’s camp didn’t help either. I hate to admit it, but you are right. The superficial fans are going to hate Lyoto and never give him another chance. He does need to fight, but he needs ample notice.
I doubt Lyoto will be on the shelf before 2012. He will probably be on th November or December card. I do not have stats on this, but I think Machida is a big draw for the UFC, espcially since he KO’ed Couture with the jumping front kick.
Machida will fight the winner or loser of one of the big fights coming up in the next 2 months. Guarranteed. Dana would easily be able to market him in a fight against one of those people and make some $$$ off of it. He’ll fight in November of December, like Chris said. He is still a top 5 LHW, and even Dana can’t deny it. As for the average MMA fan, they are fickle and will easily cheer for Machida again after he KO’s his next opponent. This time last year, everyone thought he was “done” for crying out loud.
Davis and Machida would be good. It would give Lyoto some practice fighting a tall black man, with reach/wrestling ability…..good prep for a Jones fight. I think Hendo and Machida might end in similar fashion to Couture vs. Machida, but I’d still be interested in watching it.
No dilemma at all. Here is the connection: 1. not enough time to prepare —>2. risk of injury (temporary or permanent), risk to lose reputation and more pseudofans after poor performance (W,L,or D),risk to decline in ranking, higher cost at last minute to arrange travel for entire team (speed up passports & visas), higher salary to team members to break their prior commitments, health risk for trying to make weight and have energy to train during such short time span. Surely more reasons. —>3. therefore, need higher compensation for above costs and risks. Sacrificing one’s reputation and facing these risks literally, come with a price…a HIGHER PRICE when presented with this special circumstance.
This connection isn’t rocket science!
Dr. MMA hit the nail on the head. Getting a passport as a US citizen is expensive, not to mention if you need it fast. Then factor in dealing with immigration, and all the politics that go into it. Not a good idea. Machida made an awesome comparrison with his buying house anolagy. The only thing that should have been different is how his camp handled it. Dana is a business man, and i can understand him being mad when someone demands money, but at the same time, for a top 5 guy, he should have lead off with an offer. Hell Tito got over $400,00 for UFC 132.
Lyoto will fight either Phil davis or Hendo by the end of the year…I’ll bet that the UFC is working out the details as we speak. Davis will present a tougher opponent..so Lyoto will have to be on top of his game…which he will !
i would rather see him fight hendo. a win over hendo will put lyoto into a title fight. though, a fight with davis is more likely since hendo will need 3-4 months to get over a knockdown from fedor and be prepared.
davis will be a good challenge, the only thing i havent seem is lyoto fighting a good wrestler. the training videos i have seen with seagal when he was going to fight cotoure was very intresting in dealing with a wrestler. get that right and the only other challenge that awaits him is going for the title.
speaking about taking the fight at such short notice with the demands placed, it would have been a bad idea, as mentioned before rashad was on song and very impressive. tito had nothing to lose and didnt have any damage from his last fight. dana will use the last 2 fights to keep his friend tito fighting for another 4 fights at least…… 4 that he will lose.
When a guy like dana white complains about a fighter asking for a larger pay for good reasons, he and everyone here should go back and read the interview he gave during a poker game. You know, the one where he says losing 500,000 dollars on a single hand is the only way he can blow off steam these days. Yeah, lets trust that guy.
Sabemos que lutadores Bem inferiores a você estão ganhando Bem mais. Acredito que isso se da ao marketing provocativo que sei que você não gosta de fazer. porém acredito do fundo do coração como todos os fãs seus da comunidade Ufc|MMA do orkut que você venceria facilmente o Rashad. Desejamos muito seu retorno ao titulo de Campeão. Desejamos que você possa trabalhar e Honrar seus compromissos e dividas. Desejamos que você tenha sucesso financeiro pois você merece. Gostamos muito das suas lutas e o desejamos como novo Campeão. Não queremos que você seja Campeão como antes e sim um Novo Machida que tem em meta ser o Melhor. Derrotas e vitorias Vem para os Bons. e Os melhores são os Melhores por que conhecem a Derrota e tem medo dela. Vença Dragão Lute se Esforce. eu sei que é sacrificante você deixar de estar com sua familia mais esse é o seu trabalho lutadores lutam e vencedores nunca param de lutar.
Looks like it will happen. This is the fight I wanted for Machida, a good primer for a fighter with similar attribute to Jones, although not the same skill level. Although I have to say, I want Rampage to knock out Jones…..I would just like to see it for shits and giggles, lol. Realistically speaking, it probably won’t happen.
I would like to see Rampage KO Jones too. Then you’d have the added bonus of Rampage V Rashad 2. I can’t help but think that Jones isn’t as good as people are saying he is. I think alot of his spinning techniques are sloppy and leave him in an awkward position with nhis stance. Most fighters look too surprised to think about a counter. Someone who is used to this type of technique (a karateka like Lyoto) will tag him coming out of a spin one day. Phil Davis, I respect you but your undefeated record is about to end.
Jamie, I agree with your assessment of Jones. He is a white belt compared with Machida’s understanding of timing and distance.
People keep saying how Jones is going to keep getting better and better, which is fair. But here’s the thing, he relies on his size, speed, and athleticism. As he ages, he’s going to lose much of this, which will frustrate and confuse him, because he might not be able to win like he does now. Unless he starts honing in on deeper technique/skill development, he’s going to have a trouble with “father time”, and truly skilled fighters like Machida, who get deadlier with age (which is what karate does for one; it taps into the “internal, as opposed to just “external” strength). But that’s just humble opinion. Oss.
Jones supposedly learned many of his spinning backfist & kicking skills watching U TUBE. His intelligence & athleticism has indeed got him through to where he is. BUT, practicing martial arts requires years of practice to perfect timing & speed (as peter says).It doesnt come over night. Lyotos experience should override Jones impervising…& learning “on the job”. But these guys are at the top of the LH division…& any fight will be difficult. Having said that, Lyotos desire to regain his belt should make the difference. “Return of the Dragon!”
Thank you TKD fan. IMO, the best thing to improve Jones game is to go train with Machida…..after Machida retires that is, lol, or at least after Machida takes him to “school” in the cage the first time they meet! After that happens, Machida can go train him and they can fight again. Now, that would be an interesting fight. Although, they’d probably become “friends”, and not want to fight after that, lol!
As of now, it looks like Lyoto vs. Phil Davis in Toronto on Dec 10th, UFC 140…maybe the Main Event! Watch the videos of Davis vs. Brian Stann…Davis may be a better opponent for Lyoto then most people think. People are already saying it will be an easy fight for Lyoto. Not sure thats true…but I feel Lyoto will come to fight with enthusiasm…& beat this young rising star…
Toronto dec10 as a main event? hm, i doubt. imho, machida-davis cannot generate enough sales as a main event for toronto. it could be among the main events like it was the first time with randy. i think they will match some good heavyweights and lightweights as well. because all ufc events in canada must be very big, particularly, in toronto.
Maybe Machida vs. Davis will not be the main event..assuming it takes place. But…dont underestimate Machida’s draw & popularity. He is one of the most popular MMA fighters around…because of the fact that he is a fighter that holds true to his roots in TMA. Many martial artists respect him for this. Also, if Hardy vs. Lytle can be the main event…I think Machida vs. Davis may be as well. Lets see what the UFC puts together…
I’m not impressed by Phil Davies, not having seen him fight Noguira I just am not, His wrestling is good, pulling off a one handed Kimura is unheard of haha! I trained Jiu Jitsu since I was 15 and MMA, Dacies is dangerous in his wa, he is going to very very surprized at lyoto he will get very few opportunities to take Lyoto down it took him attempt after attemot on lil nog he wont even get 1 a round with Machida, I know this because I use Machida Karate (yeah I got the book) to neutrilize takedowns and attaking and full speed and power when they rush in (that’s when your and your most powerful) OSS to all Machida Fans!
Some of you guys are reading too much into it. Lyoto wanted more money because he feels that he should be well-compensated for taking a lose/lose fight, especially on short notice. He can’t advance his position in the LHW division by beating Rashad because he already beat him. A second victory would be expected and would not be likely to cause an increae in the demand to see Lyoto fight Jones. But White is hoping that Rashad could find a way to beat Lyoto because that would take Machida out of title contention almost permanently as far as White is concerned. By now it should be apparent to anybody who follows the UFC that White hates Lyoto’s sharpshooter fighting style and is less interested in the effort it would take to build Lyoto’s legacy when there are other fighters in the division who already have legacies for him to make $$$ off of (i.e. Shogun, Rampage, Forrest). Why ease the path for a fighter who most fans (who don’t train martial arts) consider to be boring when you can ease the path for a bleeder who already has a big fan base? White will do anything he can to keep Lyoto as far away from that title as he can because he’s the only real threat. We’re going to see Jon Jones impregnate every fighter he faces while White keeps finding reasons to keep Lyoto out of contention. White thought to himself, “Let me offer Machida the Evans fight on short notice – a fight he has nothing to win by taking, this way when he turns me down he’ll look like he’s not a team player and the fans might agree with me when I react by not giving him a fight he deserves.” I mean think about it… Shogun gets a immediate anounced at the post-fight press conference after a fight with Lyoto that was so close that it was practically unjudgeable. And now Lyoto is bad guy for not giving a rematch to Rashad after a dominant performance and a top 5 all time knockout. But Lyoto gets no rematch with Rampage after being handed a loss in fight which most fans, including myself, believe Lyoto took a less than obvious but still pretty solid decision – even after the first thing that Rampage does is offer a rematch? Asking for more money for the Rashad fight was just Lyoto’s way off throwing the middle finger back at baldy – not greed, not a slap in the face of Karate, none of that stuff – just good business and an insult to Dana White… Good for him.
Well said Anthony! I couldn’t agree more. Sounds like you are also a true fan of Lyoto and Karate! As his true fans, we should (and continue if we have already) support him on websites like UFC.com, sherdog.com, etc, and show that Lyoto’s fans have his back. I am confident that our new Lyoto will get the title back, whether it is from Jones, Evans, Rampage, or Shogun!
I was thinking last night….Griffin just lost, Davis says he’ll be out for the remainder of 2011, Rampage is fighting for the title, Rashad will get the winner, Tito and Franklin aren’t too high in the rankings. Shogun however, had a quick, successful and unscathed fight and is after the title, however still has a previous loss before this latest win (just like Machida). Logistically, I could see Machida and Shogun 3 happening in December or November, which would decide who then fights for whomever has the title (probably still Jones). It makes the most sense, or am I missing someone here? What do you educated individuals think???
Lyoto Machida Vs Shogun Rua makes total sense!!!!!! Good to see, another true Lyoto fan namely: Peter, Dr.MMA, Anthony And many more I haven’t mentioned! I’m sure you guys are also Mixed Martial Artists’ in which case OSS
well, jones is fighting rampage this month. then it will be rashad after next 5-6 months( enough to heal his broken arm). so it is machida and shogun who need to have at least one win to get a title shot. now, i have a feeling that the decision who fights who will be made after jones-rampage fight. we may see either machida or shogun fighting the looser of the jones-rampage bout. doubt that they will make machida-rua III fight right now.
Listen people you can defend Machida all you want. I love Machida but this is DISGUSTING.
Anderson has the record for consecutive wins (14)and title defenses (9). During his time in the UFC he has fought in LHW twice and won with easy. Fight of the night 3 times, Knockout of the Night 3 times, and Submission of the Night two times.
Lyoto DID NOT ask for more money, bonus for short time. Word-for-Word “ANDERSON SILVA MONEY”. NO ONE! I MEANT NO ONE! Deserves Anderson Silva money other than Anderson Silva. Lyoto Machida, you disgust me.
I guess “Anderson Silva money” really stands for “When hell freezes over,” “When pigs fly,” or “Not in your life” since none of them are going to happen when Dana is still president or in his lifetime. Haa haa. The more I think about it, Anthony is right about the “Anderson Silva money” proposal as a middle finger back to baldy. Long and short of it all…respect your fighters and pay them well when special circumstances call for it (especially when they are doing you a favor), so that they don’t go begging or demanding for special payment (realistic or not). It is Basic Martial Arts Respect 101, Dana.
I’m confused, does Duncan “love” Machida, or is he “disgusted by him? Everyone is entitled to an opinion, however, there doesn’t seem to be a lotta love in that last sentence. Just trying to figure out what people mean when they talk….
It’s evident what Lyoto was doing, with the breakdown of Anthony thank you very much it is more clear then ever! Lyoto mentioned that there’s two sides to every story, and that ‘A man approaches you wanting to buy your house, but you don’t want to sell it. So then, you ask for a higher price. You want it? Then pay what I’m asking’ Simple enough right?… Great Samauri lesson from the Dragon! There’s alot of misconceptions in the world, people who misunderstand through frustration… Seems like Dana’s trying to ruin Lyoto’s career! Which he can’t…. No one can! Thanks for posting Anthony, Peter and Dr. MMA I love to hear from you guys! So how many people are there in thius forum train mma? Or any form of Martial arts! Peter I know does, high level karate and im sure a expert counter striker:)
Good stuff Peter! What’s your ‘head-to-toe-’ breakdown as they call it on bleacherreport of shogun vs machida iii rubbermatch something that’s bound to happen? It’s always great to see Lyoto fight Peter would you stand with machida? haha
I think Shogun/Machida 3 would be a good fight. To be honest though, I’m not sure how it would go down. Machida was already checking Shogun’s leg kicks well in the 2nd fight, and taking him down with ease. Shogun, however was still tagging him a bit and getting up from Lyoto’s taken-downs. Both fighters have evolved alot since then, I would expect Lyoto to still be more aggressive then their first fight, but maybe not quite so reckless as their 2nd. I would expect Shogun to come in with the same aggressive, forward approach he used in both fights. In the end, I think Lytot would wear him down and frustrate him this time, and win by a more decisive decision.
As for me and Lyoto…lol?! I would find it an honor to spar with him in using the ITKF tournament kumite rules that he used to fight under before his switch to MMA. I would not go in the cage with him though. I don’t know how to fight on the ground, and if he knew that I had the same karate background as him, he is a smart enough fighter to go for my weaknesses. He still has a size weight advantage too, I’m only 180 lbs and 5’10. We both the same age, with him studying shotokan for 5 years more than me. In the end, he I’m sure he’d kill me either way, lol!
I think that they should have just turned down the fight but I understand asking for the money. Lyoto was possibly going to be dumped if he keeps losing. He has to be prepared. It is an ABSOLUTE INSULT that Dana asked someone in Lyoto’s position to fight in three weeks without his team in the US. Forget the Anderson money request because this is an absolute insult. Where else could you get athletes to step into a fight or contest unprepared. Imaging if the New England Patriots were asked to play a team not on their schedule in a week and if they lost, it would affect their playoff record? My guess is that they said yes at first because they are trying to please Dana White then reality set in and they used money to at least minimize their risk. The issue is with Dana in asking a world class athlete to risk and be unprepared. In addition, Lyoto had some nicks and pains. The issue is with Dana treating his athletes like whores. That worked when the money and stakes were not as high. Now, Lyoto is only going to fight once this year and he only fought once a couple years ago. Even when he was hot on the chase, he only fought twice in a year. Look at other guys, they fight every few months. THe black guy from France is on every other month. He is fighting again soon! Athletes NEED to compete and Dana is pissing on them all. This is why Fedor will not sign. Dana is not necessarily good for this sport.
He also has to be aggressive. It seems to me that the idea for a jump front kick to Couture was like a flash of an idea because nothing else in the fight looked like the kick. Lyoto needs to show more explosive one strike knock out power because people are smothering him WAY too much. If they have to second guess themselves they may hesitate. If that happens, they are lost.
I agree Peter, I think on the feet when Machida fights his fight, as you said machida was qreckless in the second lol and therefore didnt fight his fight, We saw how even it can be in the first fight. So I think Lyoto should watch the sweep and leg locks of shogun as he did in the second fight, lyoto it much the better grappler in terms of taking down, movement on the ground he has better cardio. So i think Lyoto should fight on the ground! and pull off a victory! Shame it might not happen considering Dana White isnt looking that way. I’d love to spar Lyoto but he would knock me the fuck out haha, I’d Love to playu the grappling game but again i wont be able to get hold of him he fun K.O though haha
I didn’t think that Lyoto looked all that reckless in Shogun II. I was very excited at how good he looked and how he was man handling Shogun before he got tagged. Sure, the bomb he threw that missed and left him off balance to get tagged may have been a bit reckless, but he does usually connect with those and it was a calculated risk that didn’t pay off. I think that Lyoto has Shogun worked out, and despite the last result would go into III confident and as the favourite. His sabaki and countering got him to 16-0 and will be the key for him to demolish Shogun or who ever he has to fight to get to Jones. Jones’ fancy (and often poorly executed) spinning techniques wont phase a seasoned karateka like Lyoto and the Dragon will expose Jones’s inexperience.
I think that Lyoto didn’t fight his fight Iv’e said so and because of Joe Rogan’s commentry that night and dana white’s remarks alot of people went with ‘Shogun got robbed’ Lyoto was more aggressive and yeah he could have pulled it off it was very close, it was one of those things! the term wreckless in which I used it is an egsageration compared to how great lyoto is when he fights his fight! As I say no one can defend lyoto’s style when he fights his fight. as lyoto said ‘[rashad] cant defend my style no one can’ Lyoto has got the balance right now i believe Not being to aggresive and not being aggresive enough and Randy was on the wrong end of it! I want to see Shogun iii and Rampage rematch as Lyoto was robbed! OSS!!
Lyoto’s fans have to up there with the most knowledgeable in MMA. He is the type of fighter that intrigues those who truly appreciate the sport and understand the budo way. Great to read all of your very informed insights.
Jamie, based on the terminology you use, (i.e., sabaki, budo) I’m sensing that you have a bit of traditional karate or some traditional Japanese martial arts background? Those are terms most people aren’t familiar with.
Peter, yes I have been a student of traditional Okinawan Goju-Ryu karate for many years and appreciate all martial arts. I see you are a traditional Shotokan practitioner, a style I’ve always liked. I’m confident in my style but the rise of MMA has highlighted to me that I am only half the fighter I’d like to be…..I have no ground game!!!
It’s very interesting how our oppinions come together but our indicidua fightin styles are different, Peter I can see your a top level karate fighter! and Jamie you probably are to, you would heard me use it alot! My emphasis is Jiu Jitsu, I also train alot of Kyokushin karate and also shotokan Karate. Great fields! Iv’e learnt alot you can learn alot from your ancestors! I’m probably the oppoite to you two! indeed have a ground game, striking is decent but not your guys level that’s for sure you have my respect Oshi & Shinobu
You are right Kevin. We all come from different backgrounds but the mental discipline and respect for others that is required to become accomplished in our chosen styles unites us. Our journeys have been different but the effect on the spirit is the same. We all appreciate a true martial artist like Lyoto and can’t understand why Dana is blind to his talent.
You’d think Dana would or could market the rise and proven effectiveness of a martial art early dismissed as ineffective, also the relevency of traditional martial arts in MMA, both from the technical side and character development aspect, i.e., sportsmanship (this would also help give more credibility and respect to the sport). Otherwise, how can you call it mixed “martial arts”? If the spirit and character development isn’t there, which is the core of true martial arts, to me it should just be called “mixed fighting styles”. The physical is obviuously present, but the the rest is clearly missing in alot of the “fighters” out there. And if no one really cares about that, then fine, just don’t continue to use the word “martial art” and bastardize to the general population what martial arts are really all about. Just my opinion, but something I feel strongly about.
Practicing TKD for many years or “Korean Karate” for all you fellow martial artists, go out & buy Lyotos MMA book…its for guys like us whom need a ground game too. BTW, in the book, Lyoto emphasizes feinting with a kick, launching a strike, then moving to the side. With Shogun, Lyoto came into Shoguns reach, hips squared, trading strikes, & got clocked by the MuayThai striker. Gaurantee you that the next time Lyoto will follow his own advice, move to the side & KO Shogun…
Hi Kevin, Peter, Jamie, and TKD fan! True regulars and devoted fans indeed! It is always enjoyable reading your commentary. Lyoto will prevail again one day as UFC LHW Champion, and I know we will all be here in this forum together to celebrate.
Lyoto’s book is amazing! I gotta say I love to see Lyoto’s lighting quick left hand to the head lol and the left knee to the body! Tito had it hard, shogun in 1 & 2, Rashad evans, even Randy, Rampage etc. I love to see Lyoto leap forward and attack then move away and avoid punishment and his opponants are like ‘How the fuck does he do that?’ You can literally see that on there faces. I always try and use Lyoto’s counter striking always, I trained with a few boxers well i say i tried they were very crytical of MMA and my style saying it’s shit, and I was running away myself, it doesn’t bother me though Lyoto get’s it alot! I was preparing to fight a heavy hitting boxer, he didn’t land a single shot on me in the first bar a few shots…. I remember the words of my jiu jitsu coach, he cant punch you in the face if he’s on his back! so I took him down, passed his guard, punched him on the face, fainted a kimura slapped on a arm triangle and submitted him. I train as much Karate as possible im lucky in the respect that 6 of my friends are black belts in Karate and every style is different, but the mentality is the same that of the samauri… They fought with blades so if they would get hit they would lose there limbs or die that’s why you neveer want tio get hit! ” My concentration is my shield, my mind is my blade without them i’d be nothing” I also have a samauri lineage, in which pleases me…. Family history is great. I’m training 4 karate sessions a week as often as possible I have a habit of walking before I could run which has existed all my life lol I love the mentality of Karate but I have much to learn which is my motivation. TKD and Dr. MMA how could I forget you guys it was only a few hundred post ago where you were proving those Shogun fans wrong haha funny times. Do you guys train Karate aswell? or which form of Martial Arts?
I started training in Taekwondo Karate back in 1982 and have been practicing it ever since. Although I am not anywhere as active as I was back 10 years ago (teaching, competing state/national, testing for higher rank), I find that my mind, body, and spirit have benefited tremendously from the traditional martial arts philosophy as it has kept those 3 vital items balanced in my busy life. As a long-time 2nd degree black belt and wanting to elevate to higher ranks, distactions like dental school, residency, marriage and 3 kids have kept me humble (to say the least).
I became infatuated with MMA (conveniently my initials) after seeing Rickson Gracie dominate his opponents with style back in 1994. The 70′s MMA prelude of kickboxing with “Superfoot” Wallace and Benny “The Jet” Urquidez sparked my passion for Taekwondo. I had competed during the days of when there was only the “Open Tournaments” where all MA styles mixed together and only mouthguards and gloves were mandatory (no chest shields; cups, headgear, and other pads were optional). With that said, I respect the rawness of MMA matches where there is minimal protection. What I don’t respect with today’s MMA is the disregard to the core martial arts foundation and Budo spirit. This comes from the top with the likes of baldy, to athletes who just train MMA only, and finally to fans who only know it as “fights.” I agree 100% with Peter’s earlier commentary on that topic of “Mixed Fighting Styles” vs. “Mixed Martial Arts.” Since not all martial artists possess the Budo spirit (at least not as easy), how can we expect the same for the typical joe president, athlete, or fan who has no martial arts foundation to comprehend/appreciate that every match is NOT “just” putting on gloves, sparring, and spilling blood. A lot may disagree, but that is just my humble opinion. I may be a different person (may be for the worse ) today without karate.
I am actually thinking of starting my 2 older kids with either Shotokan or Aikido. They can learn some Taekwondo from me (fingers crossed).
Dr MMA. Such a cool story, my cousin is my age to (21) and he is a black belt in Taekwondo and KKB (Korean Kickboxing) he hasn’t trained for over a year now though his ground game is suspect hence why he doesn’t train MMA like myself his striking his more then equiped but he realises there are sharks in MMA, the ground is the ocean and he cant swim we make a joke of it always Iv’e also trained KKB and Taekwon do and even though Taekwond do in my oppinion is much more difficult due to the patturns etc neither MArtial Arts even though very sucessful and great bases wasn’t for me, Karate though there is something special it felt familiar to me and a feeling as if i’d done this before despite being new to me I knew it was for me, I began training Jiu Jitsu at the age of 15 and obtained a black belt in Jiu Jitsu, I train Karate regually, unfortunately my grancha isnt around to see my apparant sucess even though I have alot to go, me and my cousin are very different fighters he always attacks first and Im known for my philosophy ‘There’s no such thing as attacking first’ ‘He that attacks first, falls first’ My cousin certainly doesn’t have the Budo Spirit nor the spirit of the warrior the fight with the lesser men being his struggle. nevertheless a great striker with much to learn. I’m currently 9-0 in my journey and I have a title shot February next year. I dedicate all my sucess to the princibles my grancha taught, the spirit of the warrior, my sword, my shield and Lyoto Machida! OSS!!
Such is my humility, as you can see im not an interlectual. As iv’e said several times I’m excited for Shogun vs Machida My cousin doesn’t really like Machida, He isnt a proper fan of MMA and views my mentality and study as an obssession, we have had point fighting tournaments on many occasions and he was unable to score any significant points (MMA BASED) the fight go’s to the ground its good for me lol we get on buit we arew rivals aswell. He views my style as ‘copying machida’ and boring. This style beat his of many occasions with 100% sucess. He as my brother cant figure out my style, my brother tends to grapple more not having the striking expierence. This style works, it’s real, its the most intelligent way to fight. The dream continues the road moves on! Lyoto will without any doubt prevail again I know this through Study and physical practise. It worked for him and myself Good luck with everything dr MMA maybe one day my striking will also be on your level I seem to be the least expierenced in MMA haha its an honour to learn
Great posts from my fellow martial artists! Yes, TKD (both ITF & WTF) changed my life too..in too many ways to mention. BTW…heard that the UFC hasnt given Lyoto a fight yet…they are keeping him as an alternate in case either Rampage Or Jones gets hurt prior to the fight…makes sense…
That’s right! That might be what’s going on, maybe there waiting for Phil Davies I hope not I dont like that fight! dont see the point! Lyoto vs Rampage for vengence or against jones for his title back win win thats what we need haha… It’s good to see true fans OSS!
I hadn’t thought that they might be keeping him as an alternate. That’s very interesting. So many main events don’t go ahead as originally planned, usually due to injury and sometimes due to idiocy (Nick Diaz v GSP). Whilst I would feel bad for Rampage if he got injured and couldn’t fight I think Lyoto should have been the one to get the shot a Jones anyway. Afterall, he did beat Rampage.
But isn’t the Jones/Rampage fight coming up in the next week or so? Wouldn’t this just end up being the Rashad thing all over again with the short notice and all? Just my thoughts. Not sure it would be in Lyoto’s best interests this time either to step in short notice in a fight against two guys who just been through a 8 week camp, especially if the opponent is Jones. What do you guys think?
I agree. I was thinking that the alternate thing might be a formal arrangement whereby youy might be paid to be ready if and when the call came through. Whilst a good idea in theory this of course is unrealistic and could never happen given the mental, physical and financial cost of going through camp without a fight at the end. Rashad was a bad idea 3 week out and Jones would be even more so. Not to worry, I’m sure we can count on Tito to step again if required.
LOL! Ah, Tito. I heard he will be fighting Lil Nog before the end of the year! For real, I did read it somewhere! Anyone else hear of this? I think the man’s on crack, or his head’s been “cracked” too many times, lol!
This is where Dana White and fans need to understand. UFC is a sports league just like the NFL, NHL, NBA, MLB, etc. Anyone who watches any other sports know, that some games are boring and lame, some are entertaining. If the team i cheer for wins no matter if its a boring game or exciting game ill be happy as long as they win. Same with UFC fighters. I have my favourite fighters and as long as they win I’d be happy but if its a good fight and the guy loses,I won’t be happy. IF they win and its entertaining thats a bonus. Most fighters train hard to win, it is their job. They look for the win, not if its entertaining or not. They are not going to risk themselves and lively hood to just please their fans and not win. GSP has pretty much all boring fights, but bottom line he looks for the win and he is the champ and thats all he is concerned about. So I’m comparing the UFC to other sports and that as long as they win that is all that matters and not going out of their way to make it entertaining. Most people who cheer for a sports team or fighter would always rather have their team win and not be entertaining than be entertaining and not winning. Sports is all about winning. So either UFC is a mma league like other sports or it is an entertainment company like WWE.
Dana White wants it to be an entertainment company like WWE and thats why some good fighters like Machida dont get a fair shake.
(SPOILER) – Below is last nights result so dont read if you dont want to know.
After Rampage getting finished by Jon Jones I see Lyoto Machida vs Rampage ii The only fights I want to see Lyoto fight would be a rematch with Rampage as I believe he was robbed the first time. And Shogun iii No explanation needed haha
The title will be there for ever and so will the spirit of machida! Machida will get that Title back either way. Why not avenge losses while your waiting?
Lyoto’s ganna leap forward and attack and regain the title
If Machida keeps winning, and Jones keeps winning, eventually the two will meet. People was start noticing Machida’s wins, and also start asking more and more, “who can beat Jones?” Logically, Machida’s name will start filling in that space to the answer to that question. The question is, based on what we all saw yesterday, how, specifically, would Machida go about beating Jones? I still think alot of Jones’ techniques looked a little sloppy, like those brushing, high front kicks that did nothing, for instance. His toes were pointed at the ceiling, not at his Rampage’s head when he threw them. At least learn how to throw that type of kick properly if your going to do that. But that’s just the technical, traditional martial artist coming out in me…lol!
Peter I think Machida would beat jones by fighting him at a long distance. The mistake everyone is making is trying to fight jones from close. He easily tags his opponents and goes ahead on the score cards. Then it forces his opponents to take wild chances to catch up. Lyoto would stay far and do what he does best, spurt in with counters and then back out. The other smart thing about fighting jones from far is that it puts Lyoto slightly out of the range of those spinning attacks of jones (I guarantee Lyoto would tag him if he tries either the elbow or the kick) . Lyoto has the speed and the discipline to defeat jones, and he is a much more technically skilled fighter. Jones has no knockout power so machida would really look capitalize on Jones stand up errors with some extended combinations, because he could eat a counter from jones and back out no problem. After jones stand up is neutralized he will try to take Lyoto down, but as long as Lyoto is far enough away jones would eat some knees to the stomach(which so far shogun is the only fighter who has been able to take those shots without crumbling). Eating body shots compromises your strength and potentially your ability to get good leverage, and once Lyoto is in sumo stance he is very difficult to take down. While I know just how good jones is, he has never faced an opponent like Machida. Machida is the best at anticipating what an opponent is about to do before he does it. He senses when a fighters body starts to shake before they throw there strikes and he beats them to it. (He did this 3 times in a row in the 2nd shogun fight, he just missed the last punch, Had he connected first he would of got the ko). The other thing is jones has fought people who are one dimensional in how they have tried to attack him who are much slower than him. Machida would use his high low misdirection, and feints to tag jones, and machida would be jones first opponent who could match his speed. The only way jones wins this fight is if he pushes the pace and gets Machida to the ground, but so far that’s easier said than done. I would Say Lyoto by R3 or R4 ko/tko if they fight within the next year. But that’s based on dana not being an asshole so who knows. While I know it’s not a popular approach, Machida is the one fighter in the LHW Division that could pull this off.
When Machida beats jones people will once again realize Machida is the best LHW in the world.
Agreed. I think the guy that beats Jones will be very good at managing distance. Jones had an 11.5 inch reach advantage over Rampage and that would be a similar advantage over any other LHW. That is ridiculous! His reach more that his raw talent stood out to me as the reason he won that fight. Rampage couldn’t get close. I think there are two guys in the UFC who are masters at closing the distance then striking and getting out fast. They are Lyoto and GSP. That makes Lyoto the only guy who can stop Jones at 205. I don’t agree with Rogan’s comments that now Jones truly has been tested. Rampage is pretty much just a boxer now with some good take down defence. He attacks in a straight line and wants to stand and bang. That wasn’t a test for Jones. Lyoto’s Shotokan background will give Jones something he has never seen before, and that will be his first real test
Lyoto’s proven himself by destroying T. Silva, Evans, and defintely got short-changed on the judges card against Rampage. Even Rampage knew Lyoto won.
Rua did not deserve a second chance against Lyoto; all Rua did in the first fight was leg kick and eat counter punches, while Joe Rogan rubbed himself to Rua’s kicks.
It almost sounded as though Rogan was scripted to keep screaming Rua’s name over and over. Anybody else catch that?
Dana’s promoting popular or controversial names, not the best fighters. Why else would you see Lesnar, Junie Browning, James Toney, Kimbo Slice ever in the cage???
Rua stated he believed Lyoto would be the one to eventually beat Jones.
Go to MMA Core, and check out a interview with BJ Penn,
“King Dana” striped him of his title after Penn wanted more money / value after becoming Champion. Dana said no and “blacklisted him”. Penn contact had expired.
It seems to me Lyota is on some kind of “Blcklist” by Dana. I would love to see Lyota vs Jones.
I agree with the comment on attacking Jones’ body. My instructor told me once that when fighting a taller opponent, get them to open up, or set them up and go for the body. The height of the head, which is smaller target and always moving makes it had to get at on a taller person. But setting up the body is usually more advantagious. Just my thoughts, but I agree with the other comments made here too.
Jones absolutely hasn’t been tested, Rampage was on the outside wading in and got picked apart before getting submitted, just getting picked apart totally. Rashad will definately challenge Jones based on Dana White that’s probably next. The way Jones fights, The guy needs to be have good defence in striking, takedowns, on the ground and in the clinch. Must mentally suceed. Jones has made all his fighters fight his game and with Machida this won’t happen. People think that Lyoto jusy moves… If you dont come to him he will come to you he will keep that fight and 2 feet distance ‘your playing my game’ I have trained martial arts my whole life, and Lyoto has all the tools to beat Jones, Lyoto keeps his feet moving picks away at jones, jones realises how good Machida is (Like rashad did)(‘When Machida hit me i was like wow this guy is good’) Jones feels machida’s hands and will try to go to the ground! Anything can happen but Jones is very confident and throws it out there he will not have this confidence with machida, if he makes a mistake and tries it then goodnight haha… But machida will take this mentality away and beat jones is dramatic fashion
I agree Kevin. And I still thought Jones looked tired in the later rounds. Machida will definitely wear him down with his speed. When I was watching the fight, and seeing Jones throw some of his techniques, that even Rampage was blocking and ducking (did you see that head kick that Rampage ducked under?), Machida would just wave those off, or capitalize on with his speed and timing. You’re going to see Jones swinging and missing for the first time in his life and its going to mess him up mentally. His over-confidence will finally be his down fall.
He did look tired, he ran away from Rampage literally joe rogan said that was evasiveness he looked scared when rampage waded forward, he’s not technical he’s just very over confident. I remember that occasion he sprinted to the other side of the octogon. He pulled guard in the last 5 seconds of the 2nd round I think and Joe Rogan called that unpredictable He only did it to score a point, made his self look flashy. That was a shocking comment I just think it’s very hyped. He is a tallent but Machida would crucify him, he’d get chipped down and i have no doubt he’ll do the same with Machida throwing all that shit at machida at it will cost him exposure his title:)
“I had the belt and lost it. We know it’s all about momentum. You can’t analyze only the fighter; you have to analyze the human being, too. Jones is in a new setting, as he is the champion now. Everything gets bigger: media calls, responsibility, pressure. Every fight becomes a mountain to climb. You get pressured. Your oxygen gets low. Everything intensifies. To have good performances in normal situations is one thing; to be great when you’re champion is completely different. Opponents are studying him more, everybody is looking for a weakness and he has a target on his back. Let’s see how he does against Rampage, and then I’ll think about him. I don’t want to be concerned with a challenge that isn’t mine. I’ll do that only when it becomes a reality.”
Unfortunately, Machida vs Davis @ 140 has been cancelled. Dana White just twittered that Davis is still recovering from knee surgery. So, we’re still waiting on our Champion’s return I still think Davis is ducking him. But I’m glad to hear that a fight for Machida is def. in the works!
Don’t worry, Lyoto, you will get a title shot soon. Other than Jones you are the best fighter in your weight class. I think you have a good chance to be Jones, and I think you are the ONLY fighter in your weight class who has a good chance to beat Jones.
Finally our champ gets the stage he deserves. Let’s hope both stay fit in the lead up. I have complete confidence in Lyoto and honestly believe that his skill at dictating distance along with his sabaki, countering and angles will win the day. Thanks Rashad for dislocating your thumb and once again dropping out of contention. In other news Tito is back again for 140!!! that guy is everywhere lately.
Jones hasnt faced a fighter like our Lyoto yet. This will be a fight of strategy & intelligence where Lyotos life-long dedication to TMA will prevail. Jones has learned the trade through U TUBE…Lyoto has learned his trade through a life of daily sacrifice, studying asian philosophy, & endless hours of perfecting technique. Lyoto also knows mind-control through meditation. Lyotos indomitable spirit & perserverence will show this kid Jones what a champion really should be….
Woooo Hooooo! Lyoto’s good karma got him to UFC 140 with Jones and… with adequate prep time! And…not having to waste his time with Rashad in UFC 133. I really hate to see a talent like Jones be defeated this early in his career, but every dog has his day. Lyoto all the way!!!
Mark my words, you will see Jones swinging and missing for the first time in his career. I can’t wait to see how he handles this. I believe the kid has officially stretched himself too thin, and is in deep, uncharted waters now!
Jones is going to fight Machida like a Muay Thai fighter. Jones won’t let Machida play the outside, he will close the distance and control the pace of the fight. Machida is not going to be able to handle it. Machida is a counter striker, Jones has an 84′ reach, Machida is not going to be able to counter at that distance. Machida’s takedown defense is under-rated, but if Jones uses his high level wrestling, the 84 inch will play a huge part on the ground. This is going to be hard for Lyoto. I have my money on Jones
I re-iterate my last posting. I’m sure Jones will try all of his old tricks, and use his reach and wrestling, etc. None of it will work in the end. I’m glad he is the under dog, and everyone including Jones is over confident. It will make Machida’s win all the more significant!! OSS!
p.s. this site is for Machida fans, in case you didn’t notice!!!
I was very excited to hear about Lyoto getting the title fight! Josh T, I couldn’t have said it better! Lyoto had everything to loose accepting this fight on short notice. And it seemed to work out in is favor! Everything happens for a reason!
There is no way Jones can win this fight! Jones will attack and come forward and thats what Machida wants to happen. That’s why Lyoto fights the way he does its to force guys to attack so he can defend and counter in one movement. I re-watched the Machida-Evans fight and MAchida picked him apart. Setting up those fast hands with kicks first. Jones is ganna get attacked from all over the palce and not have a clue what to do. There is no way jones has the mentality, knowledge or most importantly the spirituallity to defend lyotos style
Go and show Jon Jones what Shotokan Karate is all about my friend. 84″ reach will do nothing to Lyoto – he can kick you from 6 feet away and still stay out of range.As Lyoto said before “Katate is Back!!
Looking forward to 10th December when Lyoto Machida will get back the LHW belt – Go Machida!! your fellow Shotokan practitioners back in the UK will be watching.
“It’s hard to say what the perfect style is to stop Jones. I have a lot of trust in my skills against any fighter. I won’t change what people have seen, and I’d rather show them in the Octagon instead of talking about it beforehand. Jones wasn’t my problem until the UFC booked the fight. I’ll spend a lot of time studying him and find the best way to stop him. I know he’s versatile, but I have my own talents and know what it takes to win.”
“The fight will be decided in the Octagon. Let him be the favorite. He’ll enter with the label of being a prodigy, but I’ll be stronger because of that. Since I’m the underdog, I will enter the fight even more motivated to show that I deserve to be here and to show why they offered me the chance.”
“I’m a complete man now that I’m 33. I’m not a 22- or 23-year-old kid anymore. What changed most for me was my maturity and the experience I gained. It’s something subtle that people don’t see easily, but you feel the change. You acquire things you couldn’t even imagine. I can get Jones to the fifth round. I believe in myself, in what I’m doing and in my teammates.”
I just watched the UFC 140 press conference. When Lyoto was asked if Anderson Silva would be helping him train for Jones, I was watching Jones’s body language carefully, and when Machida replied “yes he would be helping him”, Jones looked genuinely concerned. I feeling is that Jones is quite worried about his fight with Machida (although he’s trying hard not to show it), and we will see a much more nervous Jones in this fight.
I also saw the UFC press conference Peter when Dana White was talking about Lyotoo Machida being one of the dangerouis strikers having destroying rashad evans and beiing elusive and hard to hit I saw the fear I ”beheld it with mine eyes” Also as Peter said when Lyoto spoke about training with Anderson Silva, His reactiion was quite disturbing he acted if like ”i’m glad Lyoto is this makes the fight more intresting”… ”Oh yeah” Jones is scared. Also at the staredown it only showed the back of Jones head, after the staredowwn Jones looked very angry with himself, he genuinely did did anyone see it? He looked bitter, angry, and frustrated! I feel as I felt at the weighins when Machida vs Couture as I said to my girlfriend ”I feel sorry for couture” Ladies and gentleman we are back in the MAchidia era
Yeah Jones doesn’t have a good chin, bonnar hit him and rocked him. But he wasnt hurt, that lightning quick left knee and left punch counter is going to hurt Jones, and he is going to be bewildered by all the stuff Lyoto is ganna throw at him. Machida will hurt Jones when his strikes land Jones is ganna realise he made a big mistake! The dragon eats bones for breakfust
i’m very excited about this fight, i know everyone here is very confident about a machida win and i really hope that is the result at the end of the night but you got to give jones some respect. yes, he’s young but he seems like a good student of martial arts, the way he fought rampage was very good indeed and he is definitely not a champion for nothing. other than machida he has been the only champion to defend that belt in a very tough division since chuck lidell. The shogun fight was a joke that shouldnt have happened, tito couldve beaten shogun! I am very excited though and do hope that the excellent closing of distances from machida can help him get in and out and in again for the knock out!!
no doubt hooman, I have a lot of respect for Jones and Lyoto can’t be over-confident either. At the same time, I’ve always noticed holes in Jones’ stand-up that I feel Lyoto has the skill-set to expose. This, in my opinion, is the most important fight of Lyoto’s career. And what gives me confidence in him was the look in his eyes at the UFC 140 press conference. Whenever he has that quiet confident look…….you all know what I’m talking about.
Peter,you are right…I noticed the look in Machidas eyes during that UFC 140 press conference too..he is very relaxed & confident. I think also that Jones may be looking past Machida…big mistake. Actually, both fighters have had a similar rise to the top of the LH division. Machida, prior, beat everyone in his path to the championship, never loosing a round. Shoguns KO of him, surprised him, took his confidence away briefly. He then came back, “beat” Rampage, destroyed Couture, & now is quietly confident. Machidas life-long commitment to Asian TMA & mind control will help him focus on winning….the indominable spirit or X factor here…
I do apologise if Iv’e given the impression of disrespect towards Jones I have that outlook towards no one. Jones is strong, he is very intelligent see how he picked Rampage apart for 3 rounds, then finished via sub as Rampage was gassed? But did you see how he escaped by literally running to the other side of the octogon, did you see his strikes which rampage evaded and ducked under? Some of his techniques lack technical ability that Machida possesses, As Rashad noted Jones does have alot of confident in his strikes and he believes they will land. But… there is no timing no technique as such. And I agree I see weaknesses in Jones stand up, Lyoto must be careful Jones is dangerous in top control and his Jiu Jitsu has improved alot. Machida wont be afraid to Grapple inface his jiu jitsu is better. Jones has my respect. But mentally he looks angry, frustarted and dissapointed, Where Lyoto looks relaxed, focused, concentrated, and prepared. It does come accross that its a disrespect towards Jones but there is alot of expierence and MArtial Arts base in this forum. And alot of guys talk from expierence. TKD Fan and Peter and all the rest of you fans enjoy it. It will be a nervey afair. But I believe in Lyoto’s fluid style. Why else would I use it on my own journey! As Lyoto prepares for his title shot im preparing for mine! At a much lower level nevertheless ”The jorney continues the dream continues”
I have alot of respect for Jones too but I still think he is a future champ as opposesd to a champ right now. I know he has the belt but I still don’t think he has the mindset, the maturity or the technique of a champ…yet. He showed himself to be respectful and a true true at that press conference but I do think he was scared. If it wasn’t for his freakish reach he’d still be on the undercard. His stlye is very sloppy but he gets away with it. Shogun was well below his best and Rampage is so one dimensional now that his front on attack with no angles played to Jones’ strengths. It has been a big 12 months for Jones and I think its about to get the better of him. He’s talking about how it’s only 9 weeks (only???) preparation and how he didn’t really want to fight. He said the only reason he took another fight so soon after Rampage was because it was going to be against Rashad. I think he is already making excuses for his impending loss.
I agree Jamie, and sorry I forgot to mention yourself. If my memory serves me well your also a Karate Practioner jamie? And your very right. Jamie I agree Jones is literally going to get 1 or 2 opportunities a round against Lyoto if that, oppossed to several in Rampages’ Jones’ is also claiming he has the spirit of the warrior which he doesn’t ! It’s going to be a fantastic fight! I just dont see Machida winning. Me and my friends talk about it alot. And they see Jones as pound for pound best fighter in mma. That is an absolute shocking statement ironically its only the fans with ZERO Martial arts background that believe the hype, its evident that Martial Artists can see alot more. OSS to you all. By the way Hows all your training going?
Yes, a long time Goju-Ryu practioner. I mainly instruct now and haven’t competed for about 2 years. We are one of the only clubs left in Sydney Australia that still trains old school (bare knuckle full contact, polished wooden floors, no mouth, shin or groin guards) so after many 20 years of punishment I’ve decided to leave to hard stuff to the youger guys (I’m 35). Are you in the States? Do you compete with your MMA?
That’s cool and I have an intresting thing to say. I have family from Sydney Australlia who are Goju-Ryu practioners, Iv’e trained it with them from time to time, I can only train the base a few weeks a year (if I visit its a 34 hour journey from the UK) My undertanding of the base is of course the emphais on breathing, I also use the body conditioning exercises. I love the techniques to control opponant, using takedowns, grappling, throws, and locks. Sounds brilliant! Small world I guess. Ive looked at my family history and Karate go’s back as far as I can see. I live in the UK my base is Shotokan Karate and BJJ, But I have trained a few types of Karate, of course Goju-Ryu, I have also trained Machida Karate, and also Kyokushin Karate, also Judo (of course) and sumon. I like to be like Lyoto in that respect and train as much MArtial arts as possible all the different techniques rolled into one. You see that in Lyoto, He uses Judo trips, faints, sweeps, Sumo stance to avoid takedowns and clinches, his karate techniques which we are all familair with, he has great muay tai, and BJJ which we dont see alot but he has a high level. That’s what I try to do. Have you tried MMA yourself Jamie? Wow there are a few expierenced guys in here! 20 years! I do compete in my MMA I have also earned a title shot with a small organisation, i just want to continue the dream, the journey! taking it one fight at a time see where that takes me!
“We’re not fighting the undefeated Lyoto Machida anymore. I’ve watched him lose several rounds now through studying,” Jones told Fight News. “And I just happen to have two coaches that are southpaws now as well so there’s a lot of knowledge in my camp about fighting guys with opposite stances.
“We feel comfortable, we feel as if there’s been some blueprints laid out. Obviously, we will come up with our own blueprint, and take from what we’ve seen and make it an even greater defeat.
“We’re excited. We’re up for the challenge.”
Such a contradiction, Jones always says he fights the body not the man, record, or status, And now he’s saying that those are reasons why Lyoto isn’t intimidating? So is he fighting the man or is he using those reasons to have no fear factor. Jones always says the right things but he cannot actually have ot believe it its not possible because of the contradiction.
As Peter outlined Jones is bothered. And this quote shows he’s trying to hide it:)
Jones is just a kid, and he’s already doing alot more “talking” than he said he would. I hope Lyoto just keeps up his low profile and focuses on training. This low profile will mess with Jones’ head even more. Sometimes the best thing to say is nothing, then people wonder even more what you are thinking and come up with their own self-made fears all by themselves! OSS!
Small world indeed. Congratulations on your title shot. Let us all know how it goes. I’m impressed with the styles you have studied. Sumo!! just like Lyoto. I have tried MMA but only recently for about 2 years. I had no trouble with the stand up but you guessed it, the ground stuff was tough and after a while it became obvious that with working long hours I couldn’t give it all the time I needed. But man do I respect those guys. BJJ and wresting combined is awesome and I just wish I started earlier.
I will indeed let you know November 20th! I do follow Lyoto in that respect I love BJJ, I Also teach it its my most dedicated and expierenced field. And I fell in love with grappling the seconds i participated. Your right it is tough ”The ground is the ocean I am the shark and many cannot swim” If you cant put the time in it sucks and its hard. I trained MMA since I was 15 ive trained Martial Arts all my life im now 21, I have a long way to go.
Peter your definately right. And I believe your very right about, self-made fears wise man! OSS
Do you know that the word “fear” is actually an acronym? It stands for:
False Evidence Appearing Real.
Makes even more sense now, right?
Good luck in your upcoming fight, I can tell you have a lot of heart and spirit, and that’s the most important thing about what you do. Stay focused and live in the moment and the “outcome” will be what it is meant to be. Let things flow and nature will take its course. OSS!
Just like Lyoto you speak so much sense! It does Jones chats bullshit! Thankyou, I’m training alot of Shotokan Karate & Machida Karate! I’m ganna go for the counter! My opponant is Russain and does not speak a word of english! Its a heavyweight bout in currently 235 LBS!! he’s 6:09 which is 5 inches taller then me! I believe I have trained my mind using concentrating and focus the big difference between Shotokan Karate and all the other bases is: The Spiritual side, In the other bases there’s alot of Physical and mental but not as much spiritual. I will take that advice. As I step into the Octogon, I will be saying the words of Lyoto which calms me and focuses me. Ill keep you posted! OSS
You guys should watch the staredown between Jones & machida at the UFC 140 press conference…on U Tube. Machida does not winch & holds his stare direct at Jones. At the end, Jones looks like he is thinking, “wow, maybe this guys for real”. Lyoto has the “eye of the tiger”…& you can tell that he really wants his belt back…
Looks like Jon Jones and his camp are trying to make Machida think that he thinks its going to be an easy fight and that there are confident of not only winning but destroying Machida. Talking alot in this fight despite saying he wouldn’t. He clearly doesnt have the spirit of the warrior that he said he has and respected in Machida. You know your good when you dont need to boast yourself.
“He’s going to be scary. In fact I think he’s already got people scared. There’s no doubt about it. He’s an anomaly with his length and the fact that he believes in himself. The neat thing about Jon is you can show him something and he goes OK, and five minutes later, you’ll put him in sparring and he’ll be trying it. He’ll just be doing it. Most of the time he pulls it off. He does the same thing in fights. He’s just a believer in his skills and his abilities, and that’s so huge in the fight game. It’s so mental. You’ve got to believe in yourself and have the confidence to incorporate these moves and these techniques into your game … To fight Machida again with Jon Jones, I think it’s going to be great. I know Jon’s a believer. He’ll pull it off. He can make this fight very, very easy if he’d like to. Jon has those abilities.”
People who respect Machida, have a better chance of beating him then those who don’t. Shogun respected Machida and fought him appropriately. Everyone else out there that Machida has beat have talked the same “he is weak, has no power, karate doesn’t work” bulls#$%#. They are then always in for a surprise. You can’t talk about a system of fighting you know nothing about or have ever taken the time to train, and act as if you know how to beat it. Trad. karate is so different from the other styles in MMA. Most people have no idea of what its all about, they see us training the kata and long stances and simple shrug and walk away, instead of trying to figure out why we are actually doing all of that. Greg Jackson has his head up his ass, and will find out again how little he “knows” how to beat Machida’s style. I actually just finished reading that same article Kevin. I agree with what you said. I hope Machida makes Jones swing and miss for the 1st round, just to prove how overrated Jones’ striking is, then slowly pours it on over the next four rounds, taking his spirit minute by minute. OSS!
I agree Peter and Kevin. And Peter I hope you’re right about Lyoto dragging his dominance out over multiple rounds. The Couture fight was spectacular but a little disappointing in the sense that after waiting so long for Lyoto to return to the Octagon we didn’t really even get to see him fight. I would love to see complete dominance over 4 rounds and a finish in the 5th.
It was great to see Lyoto do what he did, It’s intresting but when it gets to the point of realisation what i mean it like machida said he knew standing wise that his striking would be to much to rashad evans so he knew he’d dominate, the only really difference is jones has so much confidence in he’ll try throwing anything haha! I would like to see that though Lyoto Dominate for 4 rounds take away jones’ mental game, heart, confidence, mind, then finish in dramatic fashion ‘we are back in the machida era’
Machida in round 5, TKO or decision (although I’m hoping for a KO….don’t want to jinx my boy)
JDS, round 5, decision (only because Cain is coming off of a injury, and JDS has been active and dominate)
GSP, round 4 or 5, TKO: I have mixed feelings about GSP right now. I’m Canadian, so I will always cheer for him. I just want Diaz take him into deep waters and motivate GSP to dig deep and wake up that true warrior that lurks within…I know its in there, and such an experience will improve him as a fighter for the future. GSP needs a fighter like Diaz to take him to a different place, like when Rocky kept coming at Appollo Creed, and Appollo’s technical skills alone weren’t enough. Only, I want GSP to actually triumph over this test!
JDS round 2 KO (to me it doesn’t matter what Valasquez shows up, if he stands with JDS he gets Ko’d if he takes him down he gets back up! I see a competitive fight JDS hurts him, and finishes him Cain cant take what Carwin did
GSP I think he pulls off a sub and im predicting a gogoplatta only he wont be under the influence of drugs like diaz was haha
Is the JDS/Cain fight this weekend? I like your predictions Kevin, and I’d almost be willing to lean towards yours. I’m not that good at predicting these things to be honest, my biases usually cloud my judgement! lol!
Machida round 3. We know nothing of Jones’ stamina because he hasn’t been tested over multiple rounds (or at all). I think he will gas from air swinging at Machida and his already sloppy technique will become even more so. Thats when the Dragon will exploit those holes and finish him (KO)
Cigano will KO Cain in round 1 or 2. I watched the Kongo Valasquez fight again the other day and whilst it was a total domination by Cain, Chiek did drop Cain twice but didn’t have the ground game to keep the pressure on. I think Junior will out punch him and match him on the ground. In my opinion JDS is an awesome fighter to watch and I think unstoppable. Its funny how guys like Brock and Carwin looked unbeatable 2 years ago, and now these two are just at a completely different level
Diaz is a punk (missing press conferences/trash talk) and GSP is a true gentleman and martial artist who lives the budo way. On this alone I hope GSP wins and think he will by decision.
Good point on Jones’s stamina. He looked quite tired in the last fight. His legs were pretty sore too. Do you figure leg kicks would be useful tool for Lyoto in this regard? Too bad Shogun wasn’t himself in that fight, for had he hit Jones with the ones he hit Lyoto with……
Thats quite intresting I was thinking that Cain indeed doesn’t appear to have a chin, he got dropped 2 by kongo and he hit him with over 200 punches he was critisised for having no power! until finishing Brock and Nog! There are guys out there that you can hit them and they wont go down or just wont finish! Cain is not one of them… ”I’m ganna knock Cain Valasquez out” I agree, Cain might get a takedown but JDS gets up. I like Cain alot, very respectful and humble! But im a JDS fan ! I agree with Jones he looked tired by round 4 in the rampage fight, he said afterwards that his feet were stinging haha, I noticed he kicked the side of rampage’s knee with his foot i did that once it wont happene again! sometimes jones says too much. this shows a lack of technique, I dont see Jones winning I see a win via KO to Lyoto, That will give me no greater joy! I think kicking Jones legs will make him more aggressive and see him throw more of his ”shit” at machida which is what i want because he’ll his get countered”!
Yes, Cain is no Big Country (that guy’s head must be made of granite), he can be dropped and Kongo mader it look easy. I think JDS hits as hard as Kongo. Also on Lyoto I think that you can never have too many leg kicks. A good leg kick (using the shin bone) hurts alot and will sting even the most experienced of fighters. If Jones is worried about his legs then that distraction will open up even more holes. I agree, Shogun is possibly the best at it so its a shame he didn’t bring his A game against Jones. I was nervous for Lyoto before the first Shogun fight but I just don’t have that fear with Jones. The more I think about it the more I think that Lyoto will humble him and make him look like the amateur he is.
I couldn’t agree more Jamie.
Did you guys hear about the Rolling Stone article citing Jones as the Micheal Jordan of MMA, and Jones’ response being, “I do hold myself in high regard.” Keep on talking Jones, keep on talking……
That to me just proves he’s a martial artist “poser”. I bet if you asked him to describe what “budo” is, he wouldn’t have clue what you’re talking about! Not surprising, as Youtube doesn’t normally delve deeply into budo.
First of all In my oppinion JDS has more power then Kongo, he’s faster and alot more technical. JDS only attacks when he knows he going to land, he can capitilise on the smallest openings, like he did against Gonzaga and Werdum… He can also pick you apart with jabs and combos bewilder you like he did to shane carwin! It’ll be much of the same with Cain he’s not going to allow Cain to recover and use his wrestling later on JDS will swarm all over him! Iv’e seen JDS training Muai Tai aswell looks good! as for Jones he believes he has the recipe to beat lyoto, and thats cutting him off and using your hands, Jones does not present that problem, A few leg kicks and Jones will be in trouble we know lyoto can take them not that he will need to. Iv’e read that aswell, Jones wants people to believe that he believes he’s unstoppable he’s not! did you hear what Rashad said would happen if Jones vs Anderon It will be the same come UFC 140!!
Never in doubt Peter my friend haha! I watched it via the UK version which showed the co-main and main event free of course.
I read an atricle of Jon Jones saying that he’s just as difficult to figure out as machida is….
Basically alot of guys are asking how are you going to deal with it? his response is im tricky as so is he. He basically thinks that fighting fire with fire will work or that Lyoto has gotta figure him out Jones is missing the point.
Fighters talk to much… As you should never let anyone outside yor training camp know. Lyoto never does this? whats lyoto thinking? no one outside of this camp knows
I think it’s driving Jones crazy that Lyoto isn’t saying anything, no smack talk, nothing. He’s not used to this. When Lyoto finally does start saying a few things, like maybe a week before the fight in the usual pre-fight interviews that they all have to do, it will be too late for Jones to use that information, not that Lyoto will reveal too much then either. So ya Jones, go in there and “be yourself”, that’s what we’re all hoping for, including Lyoto. Lyoto will also “be himself”, the only problem is that when he is himself, this is when people have the most trouble fighting him!
I think Jones is trying to get in Lyoto’s head and is only getting in his own. I love the way Machida presents himself. I imagine Jones getting fristrated there’s so much Lyoto can do and so little jones knows! Expect a nerveous Jones a motivated MAchida
Watching UFC 139 Joe Rogan kept referring to the winner of Shogun/Hendo possibly getting a shot at Jones. Rogan is obviously taking it as a given that Lyoto will lose. I thought Rogan was smarter than that although given his commentary on Machida/Shogun 1 I probably shouldn’t be surprised. It amazes me that even the educated fans (apart from the fans here) see this as a one sided fight. It doesn’t make sense to me to see this as anything other than a fight that is a good match but where Lyoto has an obvious edge
LHW ratings from Sherdog. What a joke putting Lyoto at number 6. Some of these are laughable. Rashad is at 4 and he has only fought Tito in the last 2 years:
1. Jon Jones (14-1)
The UFC’s young star shone again on Sept. 24, when Jones defended his 205-pound title for the first time and became only the second man to submit Quinton “Rampage” Jackson. “Bones” was expected to face former training partner Rashad Evans on Dec. 10, but injury once more derailed the matchup, leaving Jones to defend against ex-champ Lyoto Machida in Toronto.
2. Dan Henderson (29-8)
In spite of a scary fifth round, Henderson emerged from his UFC 139 main event against Mauricio “Shogun” Rua on Nov. 19 with a hard-earned unanimous nod. The win capped a banner 2011 for the 41-year-old which also included knockout victories over Fedor Emelianenko and Rafael “Feijao” Cavalcante, and placed “Hendo” on the precipice of a UFC title shot.
3. Mauricio “Shogun” Rua (20-6)
The former UFC titleholder fought back valiantly, but Rua could not overcome the deficit created by ex-Strikeforce champ Dan Henderson through the first three stanzas of their Nov. 19 encounter. The Brazilian came up on the short end of a brutal, 25-minute decision against Hendo and has now lost two of three since taking the title from Lyoto Machida in May 2010.
4. Rashad Evans (16-1-1)
Evans has faced some tough 205’ers in the Octagon over the past four years, but his hardest challenge of late has been staying healthy. Returning from a 14-month hiatus in August, the former Michigan State Spartan walloped Tito Ortiz but suffered a hand injury during the bout which will prevent him from challenging Jon Jones for the UFC light heavyweight title in December.
5. Quinton “Rampage” Jackson (32-9)
Jackson was halted for the first time since 2005 and submitted for only the second time in his career on Sept. 24 when he ran up against red-hot champion Jon Jones at UFC 135. The loss stopped a two-fight win streak and moved the Memphis native’s Octagon mark to 7-3.
6. Lyoto Machida (17-2)
Unable to land a date with injured prospect Phil Davis, it appeared “The Dragon” would remain dormant for the remainder of 2011 until another injury cleared the way for a title shot. Machida will attempt to reclaim the UFC light heavyweight title he lost last year when he challenges Jon Jones on Dec. 10.
7. Phil Davis (9-0)
Injury forced Davis from his UFC 133 main event against Rashad Evans, and not much has been heard from the former Penn State Nittany Lion since. Still recovering from surgery to repair a partially torn knee ligament, Davis remains without a definite timetable for his return.
8. Forrest Griffin (18-7)
After losing his UFC light heavyweight title in 2008 and being embarrassed by Anderson Silva in 2009, Griffin strung together back-to-back victories over Tito Ortiz and Rich Franklin. That streak came to an abrupt halt on Aug. 27, however, when the man Griffin shockingly submitted in 2007, Mauricio “Shogun” Rua, took revenge in the form of a first-round knockout at UFC 134.
9. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira (19-5)
Nogueira was forced from an August bout with Rich Franklin due to a shoulder injury, but it didn’t take long for the UFC to schedule him another date. The Brazilian is now set to return on Dec. 10 against ex-champion Tito Ortiz at UFC 140, the same card on which his twin brother will rematch Frank Mir.
10. Rafael Cavalcante (11-3)
Six months after dropping his Strikeforce light heavyweight title to Dan Henderson, “Feijao” returned to his violent ways on Sept. 10. After a strangely tepid opening round, Cavalcante exploded on Yoel Romero Palacio, punching out the Olympic freestyle silver medalist in their Strikeforce showdown.
Every time a think that Dan Henderson is pretty good, I remind myself that Jake (overated) Shields beat him. I also hate how these Strike Force guys come in and get good matches and title fights without having to work their way up the UFC ladder, and step on the heads of people who already have. I know that contract negotiations play a part in bringing these “big” names over, but it still doesn’t make it okay for me.
I saw an uptodate photo of Lyoto he looks hhuge, ripped and massive he’s put on 20 pounds of muscle! ganna be intresting! I also see King Mo training Lyoto’s wrestling! I think its a good idea Lyoto is ganna be sooooooooooo prepared OSS guys!
I did post well atleast thought I posted my result from the 20th November, it came up dont post duplicate comments, and normally it shows up which it didnt the fight lasted 3 minutes, I was taking down via 2 judo sweeps TWICE! I managed to get back up, and sweep the second time. He clinched up, put me against the cage I reversed him hit him with an uppercut, he was hurt show on me (Left his neck out) And I won the fight via gullotine at 2:44… Great win! And Iv’e already began making ammendmants in the shape of Judo, my mates a black belt and fought in the olympics unfortunately he’s had a bad hip for 3 years but he’s ganna sharpen up my trip defence. My oppanant James Luke was very disrespectful he told me he would never bow to me, and that it wasnt my grappling that finished him it was ‘that punch’ He wasnt able to land anything really due to the finish but my karate was decent enough to evade his hands, Dissapointing to get sweept twice but he couldnt keep me there or do any damage haha! Not bad. I have the videos can send via Yahoo? along with my other videos feel free to rate my Karate! Im now champion in this small organisation the dream continues the journey continues! Does anyone know any good techniques to avoid Trips its something I was unprepared for!
Also looks like Jones’ is following Lyoto, Lyoto training with Brazilian Olympic Boxer who trains JDS, And now theres a video of jones boxing and he looks terrible! Jones is worrried to much about lyoto… lyoto is the one putting a gameplan together and training accordingly whereas jones is training the areas that lyoto is to try and take away an advantage rather then creating his own!
Congratulations Kevin, that’s awesome! Lyoto would be proud.
As for Jones, it’s like, “heh, Lyoto’s training boxing, the I will too; whatever he does, i’m going to as well!” Great game plan buddy. The next thing you’ll hear is Jones trying to learn Shotokan in 12 easy lessons. Now that’s something you can’t learn on Youtube!
You’re right, Lyoto is coming up with an intelligent game plan and taking this fight seriously. I guess Jones will just use that as an excuse when he does lose, but I and anyone else with a brain won’t buy it!
I’m very glad he’s in such good shape… Machida family is doing a great job. He’s doing amazing, he’s fast and strong. Doing what he did on the light heavyweight division it’s not usual… Lyoto has the weapons to defeat Jon Jones. I have great Boxing experience and it’s hard to see a heavy weight fighter who moves and does what he does… There are few: Anderson (Silva), (Junior) Dos Santos, Cassius Clay (Muhammad Ali). I trust Lyoto, I believe we’ll bring the fourth title to Brazil
Thankyou Peter, It is awesome I was really down watching the fight, I trained soooooooo hard training in all my spare time, And I just couldnt believe I was very dissapointed with my self, but My first title defence I will be much more prepared im not 10-0 as a semi-pro I have a long way so go! I dont understand Jones’ philosephy It’s almost like he’s trying to do enough to defend Machida’s game plan rather then using his own you know do the minimum possible, Jones will no doubt as someone who’s trained alot of boxing I can say alot Jones’ defence is shocking, his striking is very stiff, and he doesn’t take it serious he was doing it as a laugh and a joke, The only thing that im impressed with relting to jones game is his chokes!
Hey guys! Hope your all okay? I saw the pre fight interviews and jones been saying that if lyoto wants to play the distance game with him lets do it because im just as quick as he is and i have much longer reach, that he can take lyoto to the ground by diving at his legs or from the clinch, thats he knew he’d fight lyoto, that its his destiny to be champion for many years to come and his destiny to fight lyoto
Luckily, talk is almost over and Lyoto will shut that mouth that Jones said he’d keep closed mental error just like he did against Matt Hamill when he makes that error against lyoto thats when he loses
Shotokan is all about “distance”. Let’s see him play the “distance game” with a guy who understands it better than anyone in the UFC.
Randy Couture thought he had Lyoto figured out too, and we saw how that went for him.
Lyoto sounds so confident in the interviews, I can’t wait to see this fight go down!
Exactly, doesn’t appear Jones respects Karate, the first thing Shogun and Couture did was bring in Karate guys to help out. Doesn’t appear Jones’ has done this. There’s no question that Lyoto Machida has the best distance game in MMA, in my oppinion the question is how does Jones play the game? Can he close the gap. I think Jones is going to try and take Lyoto down and fight off the ground, he’s spoken alot about being able to take Lyoto down, Lyoto’s been training with King Mo who’s an olympic Wrestler and of course he’s a Mixed MArtial Artist I think its intresting that Mo couldnt take Lyoto down. Jones has given it away quite a bit, Jones is ganna find it difficult to get Lyoto down as he’s not ganna stand still speaking from expierence its much more difficult to take down a moving target, on that basis Jones’ will be forced to stand with Machida which is indeed an exciting prospect for us and very frighgtening for jones!
Ya, he’s just trying to be “shogun”, and talk like everyone after the Machida/Shogun fight. But we all know Shogun’s Muai Tai is much more polished than Jones’. And on that note, we all know that the Shogun Jones fought, wasn’t the Shogun Machida fought. In addition, Thiago Silva had good muai tai, but it had no impact on Machida.
I also read something interested that Machida said he is going to try and take Jones down and be offensive with his wrestling. If he can do that, then Jones really will be lost!
No doubt about that Jones tends to use more kick boxing then Muai Tai even in the clinch he uses wrestling and judo apposed to muai tai. I think Machida got better Muai Tai then Jones kick those chicken legs. By the way I saw a video of jones limping after the rampage fight its from throwing a leg kick physically Jones wouldn’t be able to take I was screaming for Shogun to do it no doubt its something lyoto will be thinking about! You make much logical sense your certainly showing your mma knowledge and expierence! Machida has been working on his offenseive wrestling I think it would make alot of sense the bottem line in we know what jones is ganna try and do and we have no idea what lyoto’s ganna try and do he could use his wrestling eitehr way to attack or to keep the fight on the feet! Lyoto has talked little, only about the face he’s more determined as someone wanting that title back, someone who’s had it and wants it then he was when he was defending and obtaining his belt. Also he said ‘I will get my belt back’ me and my brother was talking about it (he’s putting jones’ to win) and comparing jones’ talking to lyoto’s is quite a big difference, Whatever lyoto does will be the right thing, I think jones is just ganna wrestle which is fine, in my oppinion what jones does isnt going to matter its how he deals with what machida decides to do jones will like to think that Machidan must deal with him I dont think so i think that ship has sailed to some degree jones probably thinks he’s ganna win until he realises that hr’s made a big mistake! Welcome back Lyoto Machida you have your title back OSS
You guys have probably heard enough of me quoting Jones this will be the last time i assure you haha, the reason im doing it is just to make sure we all know what jones is saying thinking etc
“It’s important to always be yourself and always put your best foot forward. As far as my image, I try not to worry about my image too much. I’m just myself. I’m thinking that’s good enough. It’s just something that I’m aware of, the importance of being myself in the most positive way. I feel like I handle it all well. I’ve been here handling it thus far, and that’s what I’m doing to continue to do. It really doesn’t matter what I do before the fight, as long as my mind is in the right place, I’ll be fine.”
In this Peter im sure you will agree lol jones appears very dillusional he almost comes across that aslong as he shows up he will be fine as long as he dont put in a bad performance he will beat lyoto, i think he’s also disputing what lyoto said which is preparation is key to beating jones. jones seems to think that you need more to beat him i hated jones before this fight and i hate him more now he has no respect he’s looking past lyoto and so is dana white they are speaking of Anderson Silva moving up to fight jones it makes me think they are looking past lyoto and also rashad evans which sucks! A victory for Lyoto makes everything happen, a destroys there plans Jones is a great fighter and I shouldnt say I hate him because I dont I dislike his lack of attitude and the lies he gives he’s not what he says we will see how hard Jon Jones has been training, Jones seems to think that its his destiny to do what he’s doing and no one can stop him as its his birth given right! It does frustrate me but Lyoto will triumph much to the UFC’s shock and Dissapointment! Ye shall believe in those who shall say OSS!!
I agree Kevin. I think Dana and the UFC will be disappointed when Lyoto wins, because they have already made further plans for Jones. Jones is clearly being groomed as a poster boy for the UFC and his continued success is no doubt part of Dana’s business plan. But Dana’s plans for Jones will just have to change. Lyoto to fight Rashad next to defend his title and Jones can fight Tito.
It’s going to be brilliant! We’ve all spoke alot about the Jones and Machida match-up which of course we are all excited about! How do you all see the fight going though? Do you see it staying on the feet? Will lyoto get jones down? Or can jones get lyoto down? Can he keep lyoto down? Will lyoto get a sub?
Hi all, cant wait for saturdays main event. Would love to see lyoto get his belt back!!! Just concerned at the reach advantage jones has! Can anyone put my mind at rest and tell me the strategy lyoto will use to get over this?
I see the fight staying mostly on the fee and as I’ve said a thousand times I think Jones relies too much on his reach. Take that away and I don’t think his technique is that good. Lyoto is a master at managing distance thanks to his long stance shotakan style. Jones will be surprised that his reach advantage wont be as effective against a guy who can shoot in and out lightning quick and has good sabaki, allowing angles which also minmise that reach advantage. If the reach advantage is minimised then technique becomes more important and Lyoto will dominate Jones here. I think Jones is so cocky he will be happy to stand and bang with Lyoto until he realises his reach is having no effect. His confidence will be affected and he will try to take it to the ground. Lyoto has very good take down defence and very good BJJ. Jones’ only hope on the ground is ground and pound. He won’t submit Lyoto. I see a KO by Lyoto if it stays on the feet and a submission victory to Lyoto if it goes to ground.
In my oppinion this fight will mostly be on the ground the only way Lyoto can go to the ground is if he’s against the how Rampage did but he couldnt keep Lyoto there. It will be the same here we saw Lyoto’s improvments against the cage and how he avoided the clinch game. I’m quite tall myself but my master taught me relating to the ground game with the big lanky guys go for the leg locks Lyoto definately has an advantage here chuck submissions at jones enough to make him worry thats when the openings come. I dont see Jones getting machida down. As for the feet that isnt an issue Joe what I would say is look how jones wins fight he doesnt capatilise on little openings and finish you he breaks you down it takes a lot of strikes then he finishes you when your weak unlike Lyoto, Shogun, and rampage in my oppinion they get that opening then finish. Jones will not have the opportunityu to do that he will get maybe 1 or 2 opportunitys a round if any he is not ganna be able to break machida down this will cause openings no doubt Lyoto wins on the feet or on the ground in my oppinion. In addition to that as Jamie spoke about and also Peter on many occasions we will see for the first time Jones missing and getting countered, Jones likes to be aggressive and break guys down beforwe he takes the risk Lyoto timing will be the bigegst factor thats when he’s at most power when guys rush in like Thiago Silva did. Lyoto will set jones a trap and take the bait. The questions will be how many leg kicks body strikes can jones take. The old Karate philosophy will be apparant Machida to hit jones with all his ‘G’ and kill him! OSS to that !
Did anyone check out the open workouts and interviews? Jones said ”The machida puzzle has already been solved i’m more technical then he is I have more tools then he does”… ” I dont feel I need to solve him I feel he needs to solv me” – Wow Jones is deluded clearly upset when asked upset with the fact he needs to go to machida and work him out! Jones is deluded and evidently bothered! the worst thing is he thinks he’s more technical Ive always disliked jones he’s starting ti bug me with his lies that he dont believe himself!
About the open works out ( I know Jones was showing off for the camaras) I notice when he strikes he leaves his self off balance im speaking from expierence now but thats an allteration I had to make from my game its important when you strike your on balance thats what Lyoto should do he likes to attack when guys are at there weakest this is when they attack this is something I see happening in the fight Lyoto will see when Jones attacks he’s off balance and he will time it! It’s very intresting if I can notice then Lyoto will definately and then some seeing that machida been watching videos ever since jones beat rampage… Lyoto definately sounds like he knows some ‘secret’ hearing machida speak with such confidence makes me think ‘what’s up his sleeve?’ It makes the hairs on my neck stand up to be honest! Jones willbe his own worst enemy on the night mark my words! Jones attacks——> he’s off balance——-> Lyoto times ——-> And hurts Jones.
Iv’e had two dreams in which Machida won both affairs first he submitted Jones in the second round, after taking him down and jones had no answer getting submited in a Kimura
Second of which MAchida knocked out Jones quite easily in the first round!
Jones often appears to land off balance after throwing a technique, particularly his spinning techniques. I wasn’t impressed by his kicks in that open workout video. What a contrast, Jones trying to kill the kick shields whilst Machida performs a basic kata with great focus and composure.
I just read something about Jones that I didn’t know. He said that since new years day 2011 he has been signing his autographs with the words “champion 2011″ after his signature. This was before he had even fought Bader and Shogun. Are you kidding me??? This guys arrogance seriosuly needs to be checked. I wonder how he will sign after Saturday night. Perhaps “overrated” or “no respect”.
I first heard of this before the shogun fight! I was like please kick his legs pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee haha! He also apologised to Shogun afterwards but still. I dislike Jon Jones, he is very egotistical and cocky just watched the pre fight conference and seeing the staredown was awesome, Lyoto is very focused and prepared. He seems to lick Dana’s arse a bit oh well, He should sign ‘Over hyped’
As a 2nd degree black belt in Shotokan Karate, myself, I definitely relate to Lyoto Machida’s style. I have trained in various martial arts throughout my life prior to Shotokan, but it has been my dedicated style for the last 8 years.
Karate can be a very effective tool in the world of mixed martial arts and even in simply “street fighting” or protecting one’s self against an attacker. It just has to be properly utilized for maximum effectiveness.
The thing with Muay Thai for instance, is that all kickboxers train to fight. They train repetitively to punch, kick, knee, and elbow and do so hard against each other, on pads, and so forth. It’s the reason why the artstyle gets a lot of credit and recognition as being effective, because those practitioners train for one reason: to fight.
I have done kickboxing and I know this philosophy well, of always training to fight. It makes you tough, it makes your bones and skin resistant to pain, and you have a very aggressive offense and build your body up to the point of having a strong defense.
Technically speaking, Muay Thai also has its strengths in its attacks and defenses, but like all martial arts, it has its weaknesses as well. Writing this now reminds me of an article I wrote on my website a while back, about the difference of the roundhouse kick between Shotokan Karate, Muay Thai, and Tae Kwon Do. I wrote from experience the pluses and minuses of each style’s kick. And of course, like with the roundhouse kick, there are pros and cons for every single move in each style, when compared to each other.
Now the reason why Karate and even the division of Shotokan Karate gets disregarded as being effective, is because not all practitioners train with the goal of being a fighter in mind. You have Kata training, Kihon Ippon, Jiu Ippon, Sambon Kumite, Hapon Kumite, basics, and Kumite point fighting as all different things to learn and do.
Each one can be very useful in turning you into a fighter, but only if that’s your goal. I know 4th and 5th degree black belts in Shotokan that can do every basic move, every combination, every form of traditional Shotokan kumite, and every kata as crisp, technical, and powerful looking as you could possibly imagine, but in a “fight”, I’ve been able to take the win over them when I was just a green belt, fairly fresh into my Shotokan Karate dojo.
True, this came from 16 years of prior martial arts experience that I had, but the fact remained that these 14-18 year Shotokan 4th/5th degree black belts should arguably have been able to beat me, but they could not.
This is in no intention an effort to brag; rather I’m trying to make an intelligent point. These people, like many karatekas, trained for the art, not the fight. Like learning how to paint, playing the guitar, or being a professional dancer, to them, Karate and all of the katas in it, were simply to memorize and demonstrate as powerfully as possible. Yes, they could hold their own in a fight. Yes, they were competent in both kumite and “fighting”. And yes, they did understand the practicality of their movements and were not simply regurgitating information. But they did not train to fight.
I’m both an old school martial artist at heart, because I love and appreciate the roots of these old styles, like the teachings, value the dojo kuns, the respect that comes from studying them, etc….and am a serious fighter in that I strive to be the most effective striker, blocker, grappler, and so on, as I can possibly be.
It’s why I’ve taken a very long, serious look at what Shotokan Karate is, breaking it down from a complete physiological and kinesiological standpoint, and see why it works. There are certain, brilliant designs in Shotokan that if you apply them and use them in a real fight, after training to fight with those very movements, then a strong, fast karateka can be an extremely powerful force to be reckoned with.
It’s like the common misconception of the outside world that sees a karate practitioner doing a kata by him or herself and thinking it’s just a silly dance or that “no fight every goes down like that”. That’s not the point. The point is that these moves, when repeated and visualized so many times in these possible situations will get you so prepared, that in the event you get attacked, your muscle memory and realization of what to do and how to react, will come in you’ll counterattack and be successful.
It’s where a lot of people stop though when training in karate. There are those that learn the kata and stop. There are fewer that learn it and make it look good. Even fewer go as far as to learn it, make it look good, and know why/how to utilize it by demonstrating some possibilities through bunkai. And then there are the elite that learn it, make it look good, know the whys/hows/demonstrate bunkai…but also, actually FIGHT and train hard with those moves.
That’s what I’m talking about. That’s why it’s hard to find a Shotokan Karate guy or gal that exists in the world today that can take that artstyle and that artstyle alone and truly fight with those very movements and be devastating with it. I’m not talking about getting in and out and scoring 1 point in a “non-to-semi-contact” kumite match…I’m talking about utilizing real karate in a real fight.
Oh you better believe that Shotokan is the real deal. I have a Bachelor of Science Degree in Kinesiology and have studied the movements of Shotokan and other styles for a very long time and can say without a doubt that it has all of the necessary components to be effective in a fight.
Lyoto Machida, though I have never met the man in person, I believe he knows how to adapt Shotokan Karate into the fighting world, probably as good as anyone that I’ve seen do it. It’s why he’s been successful thus far and why if he continues to train in such a way, can continue to do well.
He’s still young, has a lot of experience, is coming off an incredible win against a legend in the mma world, has good height, strength, speed, precision in his attacking, stamina, timing, and elusiveness that he can give Jon Jones a run for his money. Not to mention he can wrestle, has a good core, is well balanced and doesn’t trip up easily, and has a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
On the other hand, Jon Jones is an exceptional young athlete. He has great cardio and conditioning, he is fast, strong, brings forth good wrestling, doesn’t have any prior injuries that are holding him back physically, is both very effective with his own, dedicated, precision based, technical striking, and in his unorthodox, spinning back elbow techniques…simply because he’s good at them, makes them work, and has turned them into his own, actual precision striking that other fighters resort to as a jab or leg kick…and not just a flashy technique that someone gets “lucky” when they land. Add to his list a great height of 6’4″, being 4″ taller than Lyoto and his reach being quite incredible, and he too has what it takes to give his opponent a very tough fight.
I’m very eager to see this fight tomorrow night. May the best man win. Ossu!
Peter it is very intresting, maybe it will happen. People’s oppinion of the fight is either Jones is ganna blow the doors off Lyoto Machida, or Lyoto Machida is ganna shock Jones and win in dramatic style. In my dream where Lyoto knocked Jones out, Everything Jones through he missed he was absolutely unable and Lyoto read him it was like he knew what Jones was ganna do before Jones did, Jones has a tendency to make rash decisions because he has got so many toold he just picks random moves that was his downfall in my dream and it will be on the night when Lyoto crushes Jones in dramatic Style!
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Congratulations Jon Jones. You won fair and square. Good luck to you in the future.
Lyoto, you did awesome! You gave Jon his toughest fight ever, and definitely exposed his stand-up. No one has ever hit Jones like that before! I knew Jones would resort to his wrestling when he knew he was beat in the stand-up. I guess that’s why they call it MMA, I just hate it when Jones always falls back on his wrestling like that. I would have like to seen him challenge himself a bit more by keeping it on the feet, but I guess he wasn’t up for the challenge after that first round.
OSS to you Lyoto, you’re still a champion in my eyes…..you never tapped, and I knew you wouldn’t….your spirit is too strong. You died with honor tonight, like a true samurai! But, you will rise again! Rest up and keep fighting my friend, your true fans will always love and support you!!
Domo aragoto, OSS Sensei!
Machida fought like a warrior. I thought everyone on here was so underrating Jones as an opponent. Jones says he aspires to have striking like Anderson Silva, and wrestling like GSP. He is a once in a lifetime fighter. 24 years old, amazing standup, top notch wrestling, submissions, and is physically gifted with strength and reach. To best the best you have to be the best in all areas.
Machida is a true warrior, his striking and controlled explosiveness was great. He never dragged Jones into heavy water though. I hope he learns alot and gets even better. Tonight you could see Machida was better then he ever was, if he works on his wrestling skills, his karate will be even more dangerous. I DEF. see Machida getting back into contention. Hats off to Jon Jones, he has the potential to be the greatest ever.
Machida, you did more tonight than anyone gave you credit for. If you can get your wrestling to half the level of your Karate, you will destroy all comers. Remember, all the casual fans are just that, casual, and you have a huge support for you. Keep on doing what you do, and keep proving to everyone just what a traditional martial artist can do!
Win, lose, or draw you are still and always will be my favorite fighter. You gave Jon Jones a real ‘fight’
I had you def. winning Round 1. Don’t be discouraged. You have all your loyal fans and family behind you. I was saddened to see you lose, however you as my fellow fan said, lost with honor. You did not tap. True Samurai/Warrior spirit. You were def. Jones’s toughest fight to date. Do not give up or be troubled by this set back. Life is full of them.
Take some time to heal and come back even stronger.
I certainly did not overrate Jones I just spoke of Machida’s advantage on his feet. Lyoto, you did very well on your feet it was apparant that you would have won the fight if it stayed there. Towards the end of the 1st round I saw Jones getting frustrated, and throwing things at you you did very well to avade Jones. I am proud of you as your my inspiration and hero, I said to my brother after the 1st round that Jones would look to take you down, I think the cut changed the fight those types of things can happen on the ground and it was very unfortunate. When the doctor looked at it at first I thought that was it this led to a calculated risk and urgency like you did against Shogun, in the end your heart was there with you like a true warrior, in the end the scale was tiny such is the skill set of the division, You didn’t tap which shows your mentallity ” I’m ganna die but i’m not ganna tap” It was heartbreaking Lyoto especially after the first round in my oppinion it was the cut which changed it for who know’s how long the fight would have continued? If it comes across im making excuses im not Jones did very well tonight but I think we all saw what happened last night Love you with honour and respect always Lyoto. Until we see you again.
Just found this quote from Lyoto Machida: ” I felt the fight was going great But after the cut on my forehead, my vision got a little blurry. I felt like that was the beginning of the end.” I’m not saying that was the only factor in the fight i’m sure the blood also gave Jones a booast of confidence, I’m 100% confident in saying (not in an if and but way) that had that cut not have happened Machida would have won, in the rematch Lyoto will be triumphant! Congratulations to Jones though, good luck! And Lyoto i’ll be waiting! OSS
Jones did well, but just like we thought Lyoto did very well at minimising the reach advantage and was by far the superior fighter on the feet. I don’t think I’ve ever seen Lyoto look that sharp and confident. That first round was the best I think I’ve ever seen him fight. Lyoto, you are still and will always be my idol and I honestly believe that you are still easily the number 1 contender. No-one else at 205 would have beaten you on Saturday
Lyoto, you did an amazing job against Jones in the first round, no one has ever done that to him and he was worried… please dont put yourself down after this loss, my whole family, my cousins, and friends are all big fan of yours. My cousin and I want to become MMA fighters and took up Karate and other Classes because you inspired us, you are a hero to us and we know you will come back stronger. In this fight you taught us never to give up, you went down like a warrior would have. We all await your return, we will always be loyal fans of yours.
Lyoto, great job beating him at a distance, round 1 was incredible, not to take anything away from jones, but clearly you lost this fight to yourself. You had him dumbfounded and his corner looking concerned but had no more energy to finish the fight when the opportunity arose, then you completely gassed out, maybe as a result of being sick?, however no one gets sick in life by accident. We all sabotage ourselves in life sometimes for different reasons, it happens. Once again it was an honor to watch you fight, and your performance in round 1 was one of the best Ive ever seen by anybody in mma. I know you will come back strong.
after 3 years if shotokan i quit karaté and move to mma,just because of lyoto inspired me.fighters like jones come and go but fighters like machida come once every 100years because he added something new to mma world.in few years everybody will talk about machida era but none will talk about jones era.
i think that the cut and the blood were the main reason for jones winning,machida will comeback sonner and stronger.
a true fan
Kevin, not sure which comments you mean. I thought Lyoto was by far the better striker in the first round because he managed the distance very well. In the second round not so good, it was more scrappy and got closer to Jones. The take-down and the elbow were obviously damaging and credit to Jones for that. Jones was very good in the clinch and obviously has very good wrestling. That short left of Jones in the second round was also very good. Jones is the champion, there is no question, but think Machida in my opinion is still the number 1 contender for challenger. In other words I think he is the only one who has the tools to beat Jones. I think that in that form Lyoto would have beaten Hendo, Rua, Rampage, Forrest. But Jones is obviously in a league of his own at the moment
Does anyone know why Lyoto chose to attack Jones with that looping left, instead of a straight left? Not that it matters now, and we can all play the “what if” game, but, Would Lyoto have landed first on Jones if the punch had been a straight left? I’m referring to that last exchange before the guillotine. Kevin, Jamie, your thoughts?
Lyoto should have not taken the fight, he needed some major adjustments to his game. I’m a huge Machida fan and I knew he wasnt ready for Jones, he has a very good ground game and I think lyoto was not really prepared to go on the ground and defend those elbows. Somebody will find out how to take Jones down, attack attack and then take down.
You did more in 5 minutes to test and damage Jones’ game and ego than all of his past competitors in their entire fights against him. Until his fight with you, there has not been anyone who had “humbled” Jones so sweetly as you had done in UFC 140. Eventhough you did not take the title, I saw you at your BEST, ever! It was awesome to see you rush him multiple times, effortlessly without even needing 1-2 rounds to “figure out” your opponents, like you had done in the past. Timing was impeccable!!! I like Jones, and I wish him the best in his MMA career, but you are by far my favorite contemporary MMA athlete and martial artist! The reason is that you have a strong and indestructible spirit. I simply do not see that flickering inside Jones, at least not now. That is why I was not surprised that you did not tap out.
According to the post-fight interview, Dana White was bothered by rumors, including one that claimed Lyoto was sick, which apparently was not true.
Jones had mentioned during an interview after the fight that Lyoto threw more loopy punches in response to Jones’ prefight comments about Lyoto’s straight punches. However, loopy or not, Jones’ left unfortunately connected with Lyoto first, right before the standing guillotine. My “what if” question, Peter, is “what if Lyoto’s right hand was up to absorb Jones’ left punch while he threw your straight left?”
Lyoto had no other choice but to take the fight, especially if he was next in line and he had a chance to get the title back. We all here know the “what if” scenario when lyoto does not take a fight, even when he does have time to prepare! haa haa What a nightmare that was!
I think he had to take the fight too. In my opinion he was as ready to take on Jones as anyone could be. Jones is a freak and got the better of Lyoto on the day but it wasn’t a mistake for Lyoto to take it. And Peter yes, I asked myself that same ‘what if’ question. Perhaps Dr MMA is right and he was just trying to mix it up because he knew Jones was expecting the straight left.He was exposed and Jones took advantage. Reminded me of the bomb he threw at Shogun which also led to him getting tagged. That is in the past now. That first round gave me great hope that the best version of Lyoto is still to come.
Lyoto definately should have taken the fight as I said he was very close to taking the fight on the night too. I think the reason he used that looping hook was probably because of the urgency as the cut was bad and deep and they didn’t lyoto didn’t know how long the fight would have continued as he did against shogun, as a few of you said it makes sense that jones would have been anticipating the straight right, the straight right has worked for lyoto to last time he fought for the title it worked it was the set up punch which landed the Knock out of Rashad Evans, my what if question is what if that cut didn’t happen? the answer is Lyoto would have won the fight, there would have been no direct urgency to finish the fight, machida wouldn’t have lost balance and got choked out. It’s all irrelevent now! but in my oppinion that was the central fact. as I said a few days before the fight Jones chokes are nasty and that was a very very good standing gullotine they are difficult to finish, but if your caught in one you will go to sleep as we seen. No doubt Lyoto will be back he should fight Shogun next! I’m still very hurt by it because I always fought in my mind as long as a freak thing don’t happen Machida would get his title back. I don’t see Jones as unbeatable nor do i fall for his hype. He isn’t pound for pound 2nd on the planet. But he is dangerous with his chokes and elbows on the ground. People are also saying Jones can take a punch now that isn’t proven whatsoever Machida countered him and tagged his yes he wasn’t caught flush, Jones is intresting we now see what you need to do to beat him OSS
Hi Lyoto, Awsome fight, I was excisted to see how you dominated Jones on the first and partially the second round. Eventhough you lost the fight we all understand that mistakes happen, but you leard from them and it evolves you into a better fighter. Out of all the fighters Jones has fought, you have been the only one that has demonstrated that he is not unstapable. You have been the only one that has put a concern on this face, that was satifiying for me to see. You could also see how concern Joses was at the end of round 1 when he went to his corner. I would love to see you back on your feet and getting a remach with Jones. I know you can take back your place as the Best in the sport. I hope you get a remach with Rua and Rampage also, I Know your will win this time. Like the other fans mentioned above, win or loss we are here baking you up and telling you not to give up just because of a loss. Your Fan.
If Davis beats Rashad, what do you guys think his chances are against Jones? I’ve entertained this idea alot, to see how Jones does against someone of similar size, i.e., taking out his customary “size/reach” advantage. I also think Jones would get destroyed if he ever moved to heavy weight, but that’s just my opinion. Once his size/reach are neutralized, his striking just wouldn’t hold up against someone like JDS, Cain, or even Mir. We saw that it didn’t hold up against a much smaller Machida (of course Machida is exceptional and no one fights like him in the UFC). Nonetheless, you get my point.
Personally in my oppinion Jones would beat Davis which has nothing to do with Jones beating Machida because as I said previously the fight could have been so much different. Did anyone else feel that Jones was falling for machida’s game plan? Jones is well rounded whereas davis is basically a wrestler who can pull off one handed kimura’s at heavyweight Jones would get killed Shane Carwin’s power, Brocks beter athletisim and explosiveness, Cain’s Cardio, JDS technical and power in his hands i could go on but i think ive made my point! It appears that Machida’s oppinions echoe what of mine go to mmabay to read it! Peter I agree with your points but I also think technique and tactics as we saw with Lyoto Machida vs Jones can overcome Jones! when that is taken away I think the advantage or disadvantage is much bigger. Jones isn’t as good as alot of people say, it is a matter of oppinion granted but nevertheless Jones beat Machida by that elbow on the ground with way evenly lucky that’s why he beat Machida no other way. I wouldn’t like to take that away from jones as he’s accomplished amazing things! I love you Machida you know and I know why you lost the fight along with all your true fans, and we all know that you will be back better OSS
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I was pretty sad after the fight, even though I knew lyoto may not have a great chance at winning. Personally I feel it’s less about how lyoto did, than the fact that he’s facing a skilled opponent who really belongs at heavy-weight.
Having that kind of size and reach advantage is like giving somebody a wooden baton as a weapon in an unarmed fight.
Jones victory does not impress me at all unless he stopped bullying people who aren’t facing massive disadvantages in reach.
The fact that Machida could cope on the feet despite all those disadvantages, speaks volumes about how much talent he has that is being overlooked vis a vis Jones.
I don’t know what to say in order to express how bad I felt after Lyoto’s heartbreaking loss. Lyoto was doing good on the first round but he run out of gas (which is very unusual) on the second round. Some said that he has a flu during that fight, but we’ll never know what’s the real problem about his system.
I was a very very huge Lyoto Machida fan and seeing him falling like that was a depressing. I really didn’t expect it to end just like that.
He’s not the same Lyoto Machida that KOed Rashad Evans. I don’t know what happened since he joined Team Blackhouse. He even become a more different fighter after the second Shogun fight. Maybe the losses on his MMA record really destroys his once invincible spirit.
I also think that Jon Jones was not really belong to the Light Heavyweight division because of his 10 inch reach advantage. He was like the young Oscar de la Hoya and Paul Williams of Boxing who always beat smaller guys but got wrecked when stepped up on the higher division which they really belong.
But I will still support Lyoto no matter what. Let’s just hope that he can still come back to his Golden Age.
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I’m sorry, I have to disagree. I didn’t think he gassed, or looked sick. He may have slowed the pace down, as to not get too ahead of himself, but he didn’t look tired. He got caught, maybe because he let the pressure of Jones, which is not a good thing to do against a guy with a reach advantage. I actually think he was very much “on” in the first round, and had that been anyone but Jones, the fight would have ended very quickly. He was the first one to ever put Jones in trouble, and totally won the first round. In my opinion, given his opponent, that was one of the best Lyoto I’ve seen. He came in the walk through with the same aggressive energy that he had with the Couture fight. He looked not himself after the elbwe because he was seeing stars/dizzy, who wouldn’t be after a elbow like that? But, he did his best to get back in the fight, and never tapped like some other pussy fighters out there. Who ever he fights next will get destroyed, I promise you that. I think he’s just evolving and trying to adapt to his body’s changes that come with age and to the new, energetic fighters that are emerging. If that had been Shogun he was fighting and not Jones, he would have won with ease. That’s just my opinion, and everyone on this site is free to express their’s, no disrespect to anyone!
I agree with Peter to some degree, We’ll never know how machida was he certainly didn’t look sick and he never gassed nor would he say he was sick that would be disrespectful. I don’t understand what some of you are saying (genuine question) I don’t think Machida hit jones as flush as people think. Peter why do you think Machida didn’t finish Jones? Why do you think it ended as it did? Jones chin still isn’t proven as such the moment in which machida had him good and jones nearly fell backwards was lyoto hit him in the neck. Jones is beatable in the rematch Machida would definately win, he would have won this one if it wasn’t for the cut every one knows that
I think after he hit him with the punch, instead of chasing him a another punch, he should have kicked him to further close the distance, and “if” the kick had caused Jones to bend at the waist, he could have clinched him around the neck and maybe started the knees to the head. If had gone down that way, I think a finish could have happened. But, its all the “what if” game, and talking as a spectator and being in the cage are two different things. But, you did ask.
Yeah definately, As Machida said he was 100% and fully prepared. I don’t think it had anything to do with Jones being to good, correct me if i’m wrong and I apologise if I am but I get the impression that people think Jones was too good?
I’d like to see Rampage first, we could call it “RD#4″, as we all know had that fight gone another round it would have been over. After that, I think Shogun would be a good fight. But, Rampage is already booked to fight in Japan, so maybe he would have to fight Shogun first?
Jones isn’t too good, he just as that damn size advantage, which will only work for him for so long. People will figure him out the more he fights, and eventually he will get too complacent and get caught.
I don’t think Jones was too good. He did a couple of things right in the second round and it won him the fight. He is a freak in terms of his physical qualities. He won on the night but things could easily have worked out differently. I don’t think his chin really got tested either because whilst Lyoto did land a couple of good ones Jones was retreating at the time and this would have lessened the impact. Jones is probably better at wrestling than I thought but I was not surprised by his poor stand up relative to Machida. I still think Lyoto can beat him without too much trouble and I also think that he is the only one that will any time soon. i can’t believe all the hype about Hendo lately. He’s had three good rounds against Shogun and then two terrible rounds. The last round should have been 10-8 and the fight should have been a draw. How is he regarded as possibly the the number 1 contender? Who knows when Lyoto will get another chance. Rashad, Hendo, and possibly Davis, Shogun and Rampage may all get a go first depending on who wins and loses. That is a long wait.
I think if Lyoto’s next 2 fights are won in devastating, dominant fashion, and everyone else fights less than perect, then maybe he might get in there sooner. But, there are alot of factors that could play out.
As for Hendo, I agree, he is just leap frogging due to his Strike Force reputation, and I never have agreed with that. Other than is punch, and the ability to take some punishment, what does he have? I’d rather see Davis fight Jones before Hendo. Or hell, let Litl’ Nog and Hendo duke it out first.
do you think Machida/Gustasfson would be competitive? I have only recently heard of the guy. Not that a nice dominant win for Machida would be a bad thing. Personally, I think every fight for Machida at this point should be easy in comparison to his last.
On a slightly different note, what’s up with these rumors of Machida dropping to middle weight? That makes no sense, unless him and Anderson are planning on both switching divisions, which would allow Silva to fight Jones, and have his title vacated at middle weight. Very strange.
Well I scored the fight to Henderson, If shoguns was a 10-8 which it was so was Henderson… Henderson came closest to finishing the fight in my oppinion, but yeah I hear you guys. I think Machida would smash Gustasfson, Dana likes to get guys coming off a loss of the title straight back in the mix, I.E Machida losses to shogun he then fights Rampage for top contender another E.G Shogun loss to Jones fights Henderson for top contender… I don’t see the need for Lyoto to fight someone like that, Machida vs griffen would be a good match up, Henderson got a 6 month pay off i think realisticly he’s ganna fight Thiago Silva or Griffen. As for Machida fighting at middleweight if he cant get his title back thats what he’s ganna do he will though, as I said only luck stopped it from happening last time! whats your guys thoughts Lesnar vs Overeem?
But, would he actually fight Silva for the belt? I just can’t see that happening, unless Silva moves up and vacates the belt. Although, it would be a fun fight to watch! I think Machida would smash everyone at middle weight, except for Silva, that one could go either way. But again, I just can’t see it. It contradicts everything Silva has said about the two of them fighting.
I wouldn’t say it would go either way simply because Lyoto would have a wrestling and BJJ advantage over Silva I think Machida would win prehaps this is the BJJ in me haha! As we know size doesn’t matter when it comes to striking. Im a fan of Lesnar’s he will destroy Overeem, explode the juiced up overated Overeem will be against the cage thrown to the matt and smashed we’ve all seen Overeem get destroyed on the ground by a shogun rua lets bsee what the 300LB Monster does to the juiced up Overeem!
Well then, given Silva’s history, he’d probably take offense to someone who has trained with him wanting to fight him (i.e., the vitor belfort scenario), and therefore get pissed at Lyoto and agree to fight him. Which is fine, if that’s what gets Silva in the ring with Machida. Doesn’t Silva not have good BJJ, or do you feel its overrated? I also do remember now that Silva said Machida is able to beat him when they spar. Of course sparring and fighting for real in the cage are quite different. I would still lean towards Machida winning, but I do have a big respect for Silva’s natural sense of timing, Machida’s dad even said as much, “Silva’s always came natural, whereas Machdia had to train to get it.” Or soemthing of that nature. Either way it would be a good fight and finally give Lyoto the respect he deserves.
I would say Silva’s BJJ is underated, he was the first and only person to submit Dan Henderson, even Jake Shields couldn’t but then again so does MAchida… Machida would definately have a wrestling advantage I think he would control Silva. I saw the video Machida, and took him down with ease it was evident Machida had a grappling advantage, Machida submitted anderson whereas silva didnt submit machida. Both guys prefer to stand. I think stylistically Machida will take guys down when the opportunity arises whereas Anderson likes to stand the whole fight. If the fight stayed on the feet it would very fight of MMA! With one guy catching the other on some crazy piece of brilliance, when pin point accuracy meets pin point accuracy and technical brilliance meets technical brilliance what happens? Who knows?
I’d love to see Brock smash Overeem. I’m excited about this fight. Brock doesn’t like getting punched in the face though so hopefully he we will rush for the takedown from the beginning as he usually does. If he gets Overeen down that will be the end of it, but if Overeem is allowed to punch it might be different story. Brock is good for the sport and an amazingly athletic for such a big guy. I hope he returns from illness with a victory.
Did anyone see Overeem in his last fight? I know it was tough for him seeing as Werdum spent alot of time pulling guard. But for a large part of the fight Overeem got outstruck did you see what JDS did to Werdum? I think the only thing that got Overeem through was Werdum was unsucessful in pulling guard etc, because as I said Werdum outstruck Overeem. Overeem is overated in my oppinion. Overeem will be expecting Lesnar ro fly out of the gates i think he should time and control his explosiveness. When Lesnar explodes there’s no doubt what the outcome will be! Overeem simply does not have a chance in this fight he has 1 or 2 notable wins is his career, he won’t be able to stop brock’s takedowns like no one has been able to not even cain and carwin! But Overeem wont escape he will get beat up and gas. Of course Overeem’s striking is dangerous but the grappler will prevail! Welcome back Lesnar!
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I am a huge Machida fan. However, I’ve noticed that he has a tendency to drop his hand/s, especially the right hand, whenever he attacks. Consequently, I think that’s why Shogun and Jones were able to drop him. If he can just keep his hands up, I think he’ll continue his success. God bless.
Sonnen has already backed down with his “pee-pee mouth” comment. I think he realized after how well Machida did with Jones he knows he doesn’t have a chance. As for weight, hard too say, but Machida has noted fighting at 185. Maybe he would drop just to kick Sonnen’s ass and then move back up again.
Funny, back when Sonnen originally called out Machida, Machida accepted right away. But when Machida calls out Sonnen, Sonnen backs down. Interesting….
It won’t be at 185 in my oppinion machida said one more run at LHW title then moving down. I think it’s intresting how Sonnen calls machida out when machida was busy, then when Machida is free he backs out in a way which makes it look like ” Machida not worth it” I’m excited to see who Machida is ganna be awesome!
I have a very strong suspicion he’s going to fight Shogun next. Does anyone know what was wrong with Machida’a elbow, that surgery was news to me.
I also read that King Mo said that Machida had a staff infection before the Jones fight and that he was all pumped up on anti-biotics, which is why his pace slowed by the 2nd round. Anyone know the truth to this???
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I would like to comment on UFC 140. Why now? To analyze everything with a cool head. So, here are some notes.
Machida-Jones first round :
Of course Lyoto was much better, he controlled the distance if we count strikes, here is what I got: strikes to head Lyoto got 3 (2 direct, one glancing blow), Jones 0:
strikes to body Lyoto got 4 ( 2 direct kicks, one direct punch, one glancing punch),
Jones-2 ( one glancing kick, one glancing knee, though it was close)
Leg kicks: Lyoto-2, Jones 7 ( 4 solid kicks, 3 so-so).
Then, in the second round, I saw Lyoto make the same mistake like he did with Shogun II, he was throwing looping, wide hooks and dropping the right hand, leaving himself exposed to a short straight counters. It was not an elbow to the head or takedowns that changed the fight- it was the first short but powerful punch to the head by Jones right before the first takedown that changed the situation. Another observation have I made, that Lyoto tends to loose the focus once he is under pressure and gets either very timid or over aggressive.
In this fight, Lyoto showed that Jones can be beat but it would not help the other fighters since other guys use other style. Rashad has no chances in my opinion, maybe Hendo, during first 1-2 rounds. Either way, if Rashad is destroyed and meanwhile, Lyoto gets another good win, then Lyoto may have another shot. I was surprised that Lyoto did not use kicks in the second round, he was very good in the first round. Another thing, Jones does have a chin and can regain himself.
Alot of what you said makes sense. I feel he drops his opposite hand from all his years of Shotokan training, where one uses this hand as a “pull back arm (higette)” to create extra connection to the body (using both sides of the body to unify body connection and power). Its hard to explain unless you’ve trained it for years. It does make the straight punches more powerful (providing you’ve trained it for years and actually know how to do it correctly) and if you get there first or quickly counter with it, the opponent is in trouble. But if you are going to use it with looping style, boxer punches, I don’t think it has the same effect or translates as well. That’s just my take. I think he got overly aggressive and careless becuase he felt pressure to end the fight as he knew he wouldn’t last 5 rounds with that cut.
If he fights Shogun next and wins decisively, this will put people’s attention to him to face Jones again. That and an additional destruction of Rampage would also enhance this situation. As these are the 2 people Jones has also destroyed. Again, just my opinion.
It was also news to me Peter, I think it might have been when Jones let him go and he hit the canvas prehaps he landeed elbow first who knows? I would love to see a Shogun Machida Rubber match, would be awesome! There was reports that Machida was fighing flu like symptoms. It’s hard to judge and we’ll never know! My oppinion doesn’t change, The fight could have been much different but it isn’t I know Machida will fight Jones again, I do think Henderson will beat Jones even though I get the impression thaat people in this forum think Henderson is overrated ( fair oppinion) But Jones wouldd have no advantage in the clinch, at wrestling or jiu jitsu and I think Henderson has the technical andpower advantage on the feet on that basis Henderson pulls it off
Henderson will definitely test Jones’ chin. If Jones can take a clean hit from him, then I’ll agree he can take a hit….but I think he won’t….he’ll drop like a giraffe. Of course, Jones will probably do his “wrestling” thing and win, but I guess we’ll see.
I thought Jones’ over-confidence or fake confidence would have worked against him when he fought Machida and it nearly did! I don’t see Jones getting Henderson down alot of his takedowns come from the clinch which he wont employ against henderson. I see alot of weaknesses im jones game, I hope it gets exploited soon!
Hi, dropped right hand is not Machidas problem, look at the Shogun fight, Shogun landed at the left side while Machida was throwing straight left , so the right hand covering Machidas chin wouldn’t have helped him.I donť think Machida is not focused under preassure, look at the Sam Greco fight. He just got caught, it happens.
Lyoto talked about the elbow, he had blood in his eyes from the cut so he didn’t see well.He can defeat Shogun, He can defeat Jones, I hope he will.
For some reason Risks don’t pay off when Machida does them he’s so unlucky he risked it 2 against Shogun and Jones and they beat them to the punch it confuses me so much how th fuck that happened? Maybe im thinking into it too much and im just dissapointed with the outcomes of the fight? who knows?
Kevin, I think it’s because Machida is normally so calculated and strategic, that when he takes risks like that he’s fighting outside of his comfort zone, or maybe fighting the other fighter’s fight a bit? Not that taking risks is bad, its a good way to test yourself in order to grow. But that said, that’s why they call it “taking risks”, because there is a price to pay of you’re unsuccessful. Machida’s had a some bad luck in his last few fights (not counting the Couture one), I think if he stays positive the wheel will eventually swing back in his favor……karma, right?
I agree and thankyou for your insight, it’s frustrating it annoys me as where I train there’s alot of ‘Newe MMa fans’ and they have modern oppinions rather then traditional oppinions, they think Jones is unbeatable they are like ”yeah Jones lost the first round, but I was shocked with how bad machida’s takedown defence was mind, jones hurt him on the ground, he hurt him on the feet then chocked him out Jones is unbeatable mind” that’s not how I saw the fight, I saw machida winning the fight, I saw Jones getting sucked in by Machida’s game, we all heard Joe Rogan ”Jones is playing Machida’s game here” I saw Machida defend the trip, get taken down and remaining calm, he was cut quite badly, the doctor looked at the eye, machida knowing the fight wasn’t going to ber taken into the later rounds his whole game plan was changed, he took a risk, next thing you know he was against the cage in a standing gullotine, machida was calm and looked like he was doing the right thing (with his arm and elbow) but its always difficult when jones lifts and twists this arms on that angle. People also sayy why didnt Machida explode out of it? obviously never been in that situation! Machida was very calm alot of guys feel like there going askleep and tap! Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is all about staying calm, cool, calculated! it indeed was a good performance, I think the foundation was a lucky cut rather hopw others saw the fight thats my oppinion!
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”Everything that I thought Lyoto could do, he did. Granted, some things happened before the fight that I can’t speak of. Only Lyoto could tell you about that, but I think first round, he did a great job. Second round, he was kind of gassed. Everything we worked on, pretty much, in Brazil, [in] the first round he did perfectly. Perfectly. Stopped the takedowns, was getting out of the clinch. Other things that I’m not going to say, but things that we worked on, worked perfectly.”
Looks like it is how we feared Machida was ill before the fight and othere stuff may have occured that effected his performance? It must have been difficult knowing that pulling out Dana White wouldn’t have given him another shot for a while! This makes me 100x more sad then the ”Cut done the damage theory”
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This site really needs monitoring and updating. Please give us a new article and remove comments from these bogus new posters. I agree Kevin. In a recent interview he said he couldn’t even fully extend his arm due to his bad elbow. If he was ill on top of that causing him to gas early its a shame. I have not been able to work out why he came out in the second so different from the first. Illness would explain it.
His inability to straighten his arm could also explain all his uncharacteristic looping style punches as opposed to his straight ones he usually throws. Lyoto’s been having some shitty luck lately, I don’t know what’s up with that. He of all people, should have some good karma come his way.
I agree, this site does need a new article, and what is up with all these bizarre postings? Has this site been abandoned or something?
Iv’e scrapped the surname KEvin will do haha i thought id follow you peter and you jamie lol Yeah i’m hating these webpages etc… It’s a shame about Lyoto’s luck, he will come out on top, who you think he will fight next?
Lyoto says he wants Henderson if Evans wins this weekend. I don’t know, I still think Machida may end up fighting Shogun again. Who knows….But then Henderson still needs an opponent to stay active, so who else could they give him, Rampage? no, but he’s tied up fighting someone else in Japan, who’s name is eluding me right now. Griffin seems a little out of the loop too, given his interest in his personal life/new baby. Who am I missing?
It surprises me how many people didn’t notice any issues with Machida. King mo said Machida was doing everything that they worked on in Brazil in round 1, and then Machida gassed out. That there was something that happened before the fight, that he was not allowed to say anything about, and that only Machida could speak on. Another reporter said King Mo emailed him saying Machida got a staff infection a week before the fight and was on antibiotics all week, the reporter went on to say that this explains why Machida gassed out so early in the fight. Almost everyone I watched the fight with instantly noticed that Lyoto wasn’t well, even before the fight started. I’m not saying its an excuse, but it is what happened. Machida fans should have confidence that if they meet again Machida will defeat jones. jones did what a champ does, he found a way to win, but Machida is a match up nightmare for jones. jones does deserve to be champ and this isn’t a knock on him, but the truth is that jones is very beatable and has not beat Machida or Rua when they are 100 percent. Even evans has a shot to beat jones.
Now Rashad has beat Davis and is set to meet Jones and with Rampage fighting in Japan surely his next opponent will be Shogun or Hendo? Lyoto has said that he would like to fight 3 times this year. That would be great. Did anyone hear Sonnen’s comments after the Bisping fight. That guy really needs to be humbled. The win gives him another shot at Anderson so Lyoto wont be fighting Sonnen.Is it just me or did anyone else think Bisping had those first two rounds?
I definitely thought Bisping had him, and was laughing the whole time, but that damn Sonnen with his wrestling in round 3. I have a whole lot more respect for Bisping now too. I sure hope Anderson can put Sonnen to sleep, because that’s what he needs…..to go to frickin sleep!
Iv’e heard reports that it’s going to be Machida vs Hendersom co-main event to Jones vs Rashad What a card! I think Rashad will win, I hope he does! I scored it 29-28 Sonnen with sonnen taking round 1 & 3 we know round 3 was definately sonnen’s and that’s the closest in the whole fight it came to being finished. Round 2 was bisping’s, but round 1 in my oppinion as close as it was Sonnen edged it with the takedowns, also if you look at the fight as a whole sonnen landed 40 ‘significant’ strikes opposed to Bisping’s 30 and he had 4 takedowns and Bisping had 1, either way Sonnen won the fight thats my oppinion. I can’t help to think that some how Anderson kind of dodges fights and picks his fights, he was saying he wanted to fight bisping and that Okami wasn’t top contender I don’t know. Also when he fought maia… Maia said ”I’m ganna rip an arm off the spider” Anderson said this was disrespectful and wanted to humiliate him to teach him a lesson. Maia said nothing compared to Sonnen but Anderson just jept saying ”we will see” nothing else. I don’t know iv’e gone off Anderson Silva since his remarks that no one in Brazil can beat him, because they don’t study there opponants properly I perceieve that by brazil he means Lyoto Machida, i saw the Jones fight [Again] after 2 minutes Lyoto took deep breathes, after 1 round he slowed right down, when have anyone seen Lyoto get tired within 2 minutes? When have you ever seen much a big change in pace between rounds? When have you ever seen Lyoto slow down like that? Despite that the first round was Lyoto’s everytime Jones kicked high LYoto evanded, everytime he kicked low he countered with that straight left, everytime Jones switched stances so did machida, machida was ready he had jones bothered, scared, and worried I know for a fact! I know my hero, as a man and a fighter that wasn’t Machida 100% I’m still yet to see anyone defend his style which is crazy considering he’s lost 3 fights! Peter and Jamie you guys were right about everything you said before the fight, the outcome was dissapointing though! As always this is my oppinion, feel free to agree or disagree I take no offence OSS
He was definitely not himself in round two, I agree. I totally belive that he was ill. I honestly believe that Lyoto beats Jones 9 out of 10 times they fight. i think shogun was ill when he fought Jones too. Rashad looked good the other day. Hopefully he will expose Jones.
I agree, just imagine what Lyoto would have done to Jones if he wasn’t sick. Whereas Lyoto hsa been having a lot of bad luck, Jones has been the opposite. That’s okay, the karma wheel will eventually swing the other way.
I was impressed with Rashad, especially his two successful crucfixes on a man of Davis’s size. Pretty cool. ALthough I am a little worrried that if he wasn’t able to finish Davis, how is he going to finish Jones? I’m sure Jones will bring that point up in all the trash talking that’s coming up with this fight.
My answer to that Peter is (1) Rashad was probably thinking to much about Jones, I noticed in the fight he was concentrated even when Davis was hurt. (2) I think if Jones was put on his back or put in a position of adversery he won’t recover he will crumble. We saw his face, and body language of just some standard counters from Lyoto, Nothing like Rampage, Randy, Rashad, Thiago, or Ortiz hads to endure, whereas Phil davis was put in dangerous positions full fount, mounted crucifix was hit wiht shots and he kept coming at rashad even when he was gassed in the 5th he wasn trying superman punches, I guarentee Jones has no heart, he will crumble like a bitch
Ha! I like…that last sentence made me chuckle, Kevin! I can’t wait to see. I think that will be the best thing that could happen to Jones. He’s tasted victory so much, he needs to feel what real defeat is like as well. Hmmm, gotta have some of that humble pie, sir!
Haha of course! There’s no need of it Peter one minute he’s just like Machida spirit of the warrior the next he’s the next big thing he thinks he’s the messiah of MMA ! Machida vs Henderson big rumours! hope it happens!
Hope Hendo/Machida happens too. I see Hendo as only having a punchers chance against Lyoto. The only way he could possibly win is if he lands a lucky shot. His cardio is not great as evidenced in rounds 4 and 5 of the Shogun fight. I think it would be a relatively easy fight for Lyoto and also a big name scalp. A win over Hendo would put him right back into contention.I agree about Jones. A quick knockout of Jones would not be satisfying. That would be dismissed as lucky. He needs to be exposed I hope Rashad dismantles him over an extended period to really humble him.
I’ve recently been reading the opposite about Dan Henderson. He’s saying he wants to wait for his shot against Jones, and Dana seems to support him in that. If true, who then could Lyoto fight? I’ve been hearing good things about this Gustafson, so that might be a confident booster fight for Machida. I don’t see anything in his style that would give someone like Machida trouble. The other option is letting Davis rest a bit, and then match him with Machida, although I would feel sorry for Davis to get thrown out there like that to another highly skilled opponent….oh well, if you want to swim in the deep end, you gotta fend off the sharks!
well, Hendo will not fight until May for medical reasons first. Second, it makes no sense for him fight Lyoto.
Lyoto will end up fighting either Gustafson or Davis. Although I would love see Machida beating up Rampage. Lyoto needs to have 2 wins in a row.
The thing is that in April Bones Jones will smash Rashad badly, then only Hendo can give Jones troubles first 2 rounds. What might happen is that Jones will circle around Hendo throwing jab and leg kicks, tiring Hendo and then submitting him with a choke, unless, you know, an extraordinary event takes place like Hendo cliping Jones while that throwing jab-cross combo.
then it will appear that only machida was able able to give Jones some troubles, so Lyoto could get a second crack at Jones. or Jones will say he has cleaned the whole devision and will move up to HW.
If he can pull off a crucfix on Jones like he did Davis, I will laugh my ass off! Probably harder than I did when Bisping was stopping Sonnen’s takedowns! What are everyone’s thoughts on that fight by the way?
Rashad will beat Jones, I hope he beats Jones at his own game, hurts him on the feet grindsa him down then finishes him by TKO or SUB! I think people overate Jones, his stand up is awful at times… it’s just his wrestling makes up for it. Has Jones stand up really improved since he fought stephen bonnar? No it has not… Rashad is very all round, I do think Jones could do more damage on the ground by strikes then rashad though. I think Rashad will struggle only if he’s on his back otherwise he will win the fight comfortably. Rashad has got a better chance then people give him credit for. Peter I scored the fight to Sonnen 29-28… Peter I laughed at those comments I hope Rashad does that and Jones’ face is just taking relentless shots! I think Henderson got a better chance at beating jones then rashad and I think MAchida has the best chance. I would liked to have seen machida at 100% stuffing some takedowns, feeling confident, then loosening up throwing his kicks and shots at jones, jones would have been fucked! Henderson got a title shot with shogun being out for a while, machida’s next opponant will be Thiago silva or Phil Davies… Wouldbe intresting! Should be machida vs silva that would be crazy this time Silva will think twice about being aggressive and try taking lyoto down haha! Also that guy I thought recently for the title? He failed a drugs test recently he was taking clens haha the name is clenbutomol its a fat burner and muscle builder! Bet he feels even worse about losing to me. What weaknesses do you guys see in Lyoto’s style? this will be intresting to discuss because people in here think lyoto are strong in certain areas and other like me don’t think so so what do you guys think?
Just found some puzzling at intresting quotes fron Lyoto off sherdog: “I got so confident in the first round that I allowed him to shorten the distance in the second,” Machida said. “That was my biggest mistake.” What you guys think?
I think if Machida, who was the one in the cage, felt that, then it must be true. I find it interesting that he has never commented on any illness, even though everyone else, including people within his training circle have. As for his weaknesses? I think maybe its more on the mental side at times (only at times though). If he gets put in desperation mode, due to uncontrolled circumstances (i.e., a cut), he seems to lose a little focus and do things that take him away from what makes him strong. Other than that, when he’s “on” and good karma is in his corner, he’s unstoppable. I think he needs to include in his training, some ways to manage unexpected shit that can happen in the cage, and have a back-up mental play button that gets turned on and re-directs his focus back to his confidence. Sorry for getting all sports pysch on you, but I think all high level sport is 90% in the melon.
Dana White really dislike Lyoto, so I think if Lyoto won that fight against Jones he will still going to lose if it went on the judges’ decision. I also think that injured fighters was just a “big joke”!!!!!!! Dana will replace another fighter on the card if he thinks the outcome wasn’t marketable. UFC has become a game of chess these days! I almost cry when I saw Lyoto became unconscious, it really broke my heart and spirit! I wanna see somebody knocked the hell out of that ugly motherfucker Jones!!! And I hope it will be Dan Henderson , if not Lyoto…
I agree Peter, Lyoto did the same when he fought Shogun the first time, because of what Dana White, Joe Rogan and alot of fans were saying, Despite it being unfounded (because Shogun never came close to finishing the fight) Machida felt he had to show the world why he was champion and prove everyone wrong. We all know what happened next! I think it’s imperative that he does what Peter has stated. Eventhough it’s difficult in addition I think it’s imperitive that Lyoto does not stary away from his roots, he should also spend more time fighting with the likes of Jose Aldo, Anderson Silva, JDS, Big & lil Nog But when Lyoto fights his fight no one can defend his style! ”You can take out a guy with one punch one punch with all your g!” Old Karate Philosophy!
Interesting quote I recently found on Jones talking about how he felt going into the Machida fight:
“I remember going into the Lyoto [Machida] fight [in December] thinking, ‘Man, Lyoto isn’t talking any trash.’ But because he was so silent, I was like ‘He’s probably out there in the jungle just getting it in, doing some push-ups, eating berries, he might come out and tear me up.’”
I guess Machida got to him more than we knew. If that cut hadn’t happened, Jones would have continued to break down mentally. Silence is the the best thing to say….or not say, lol!
I just found out that Dan Henderson doesn’t want to fight Machida. I guess he’s smart enough to know he’ll lose. Nonetheless, I’m getting very annoyed with the double standard in the UFC, where certain fighters are told to fight whomever, and if they don’t they get “in trouble”. Whereas others can pick and choose at their leisure. Dan Henderson left the UFC, then came back and feels he can leap frog other people for a title shot, when he’s only had one fight since returning to the UFC (albeit it was a good fight). I undertand the man has a reputation/history and is coming in with a title from Strikeoforce, but there is no fairness to how he is able to carry on like this. I also read he has been allowed to fight with roids because of a TRT situation. What bullshit. I’m very frustrated with the backwards, inconsistent way this company is run. There, I got it out of my system. Does any one agree or disagree?
Oh, and as an aside, please update this site already! We’re on the 343rd comment on a article from July of last year!
We all knew Jones was getting bothered Peter haha! And as always I agree, and wish that cut hadn’t happened, and that Machida was 100% Every round would have been more difficult and disheartening then the last! Jones and Machida will fight again we know it! Also in a Henderson fan (since he fought Shogun) and it pisses me off, that he’s got a title shot and he’s waiting for Jones or Rashad, Machida will be given Thiago Silva more then likely! I can’t wait for it to happen! Lyoto will win that title back, I know it it’s just a matter of time…
Thiaga Silva, really? Shouldn’t Thiago have to work his way back up the ladder a bit after being out for so long? Although it would be a confidence builder for Lyoto. I’m just not that excited to see that fight again. They should give Thiago someone like Tito Ortiz or maybe even Davis. Actually, Thiago and Tito would be entertaining. That can be Tito’s retirement fight!
Issue is Peter it’s been announced Tito vs Griffen iii (rubber match) will be tito’s retirement match… Dana White also asnnounced that Henderson was offered Machida and turned it down. It probably will be Machida vs Davis or Machida vs Thiago Silva. Fighters have over a year off all the time and they get straight back into in Brock Lesnar, Chael Sonnen, i’m sure Thiago will be no different…
That’s bad luck for Machida. A win over Hendo would have given him a much better chance at another shot than a win over Silva will. Davis would be better. So we have Rashad, Hendo and probably Rampage if he wins in Japan ahead of Lyoto for another shot. Could be a long wait.
I didn’t know Tito was fighting Griffin. I guess I’m just not really interested in Silva versus Machida. I’ll cross my fingers for a Davis fight then. Do you guys think Rampage will retire win or lose in Japan?
Rampage is very one dimensional now. I think the he is the only one who still believes he owns the title. I like the guy, he is a chracter, but I don’t think he is a contender anymore. He has plenty of other career option so I’m not feeling too sorry for the guy.
I’m just tired of all his pre-fight hype,his big bravodo walk-out, with the howling, chains, and mean looks. And then, when the bell goes it all turns to smoke and he swings and misses, gets pressed against the cage and taken down repeatedly. Its such an anti-climactic pile of crap. The man is a good actor, as far as making you believe he can kick some ass, but he hasn’t lived up the that for a very long time. He is living in the past, and his abilities don’t match his reputation anymore. It’s time for him to step down, lest he goes out like Chuck Liddel.
At this point in time, Machida would destroy Rampage, and help him along with the retirement thing. Although I’m getting wind of Shogun/Rampage 2. I also think Rampage/Tito would be highly entertaining, too bad Tito is fighting Griffen. What do you guys think about Rampage’s TRT treatments? That stuff is beginning to get out of hand.
How about Ryan Bader versus Machida? Thoughts? Kevin?
I don’t think Machida vs Rampage 2 will happen, Rampage wouldn’t want it and this point in his career (having lost to Machida already), As peter rightly said Rampage would get destroyed Machida seems very motivated to fight Rampage. TRT is bullshit why is it fair?! Dana Henderson does it too, when your body stops producing Testosterone why is it fair to take double the amount of testosterone that average people make naturally, yeah Rampage has twice the amount of testosterone then Machida and Jones has! If they are having it all fighters should be having it! it’s not fair, if your taking it on a medical level it should be what a normal guy produces not double! We all know that it’s double the dose or more it’s terrible guys I train with at the gym and other gym does it, someone said to me you can have 4 times the natural dose before your classed as ‘juicing’ shocking! so what do you do? go to a doctor and say my sex drive is terrible i feel depressed all the time and its messing my life up! easy as that unfortunately… as for Bader vs Machida… I think Machida would win that comfortably… I saw an improvement in Baders movement against Rampage but what else has changed really? he’s a good wrestler and he’s got power but he was used by the UFC to make Jones what he is today, I think Bader’s ground game sucks, yeah he can wrestle but his BJJ sucks, when he fought jones… Jones took away his mental game the what? He was put in some tricky situations but he didn’t know how to defend those chokes he kept flapping his hands… He was moving and getting himself in worse submissions… Look what happened when Tito hit him?! he can’t fight back from adversity. I see Machida vs Shogun if i’m honest!but who knows? Have no idea what Dana is thinking it’s been quiet. It would be harsh to put Davis back in the lion’s den we saw when he fought Rashad he just wasn’t ready! Henderson is waiting for Rashad to knock out Jones and has rejected a machida fight. Shogun is there and haas great respect for machida I think a rubber match… Dana White after a guy comes off title shot likes to ”put them back in the mix” so make it happen
Ya, I think Bader would be an easy fight for Machida.
This what I think some guys with the TRT do: They go on a steroid cycle, which stops the natural production of testerone. Then they cycle off, and their testerone levels drop because they are no longer on the juice, and their body isn’t producing it either. At this point, they go to their doctor and tell him all the symptoms of low testosterone, he tests them, and what do you know? They have low testosterone and get prescribed TRT!
That’s what I think Sonnen did. As for Rampage, he’s not that smart, he just did what his doctor told him to do. I think if you truly have low, chronic testerone, you should either retire, or be forced to fight as you are and hope for the best. Personally, age 34 seems a little young for low testosterone, especially for an athlete. I can see if you are 40 or older. Maybe it would begin to drop a bit at age 34, but to actually need replacement therapy?
Well, Thiago Silva and Gustafson are booked for Fuel 2 (not sure of the date). So again, who the hell does Machida fight, and why didn’t he get Gustafson? Lit’l nog is injured, which is why he’s no longer fighting Gus.
So let’s have some fun here (providing it’s not just me, Keven and togi perusing this almost abandoned site any more), and I want everyone to give me 3 possible fights for Machida that could happen in the next 4-6 months. Please list in order of liklihood or importance.
(although the above two may very well fight each other first, as they are of similar levels in abilities as compared to the rest)
3. Rampage (this would be Dana’s way of saying, “You were thinking of leaving the UFC after your next fight? Fine, here’s Machida to help you with that decision.”
I want to see Machida fight Jones again. That fight could happen sooner than we think if Rashad beats Jones. So I hope Rashad wins. Machida must have been ill to gas in that second round after a great first round. I hate the fact that the end of that fight is now on Jones’ highlight reel. Last year was such a great year of matchups. It has been pretty boring so far this year. Rampage, Davis and Bader don’t really excite me. I would like to see Shogun III or Hendo. I know Hendo turned it down but I think that is ridiculous. Fighters should agree to the matchups dictated by the UFC (unless they are being asked on short notice and don’t have time to prepare). This isn’t boxing and you shouldn’t be able to choose an easier road for yourself. I don’t think Hendo deserves to be the next in line for a title shot after Rashad if he refuses to fight someone else in the divsion while he waiting for his shot. Does he think he is the best or not??. I would also like to see him take Sonnen to school but not sure about the weight class this would happen at.
Ya, I would like to see Machida fight Jones. I PVR’ed that fight, and have watched it over and over a few times. Machida did look like he was breathing heavy in the second, and even at the end of the first. It shows how able he is to go in and fight feeling that way and still get at Jones like that. Of the 3 fights I listed, they weren’t necessarily ones I thought would be exciting, just ones I thought Dana would end up giving Machida. I do find the Davis fight a little appealing, even though Machida would kill him. It would still give Machida more exposure in fighting against that reach that he will face again in Jones. As for Hendo, yes, he’s a punk for turning down the fight. He either is the best and can beat anyone and therefore should have no issue fighting Lyoto, or he isn’t and knows Machida will take him out…..which is the reason he refused the fight (even though he’s back peddled and said he was never offered the fight….hmmmm, bullshit).
Shogun 3 would be good, and is necessary in order for Machida to fully get past that knock-out loss. I’ve seen an improvement in Machida’s game since that tells me the 3rd fight would work for him.
well, here are my thoughts.
right now, machida should not fight either shogun or hendo. it is too risky. he has to mentally recover from the loss. Besides, machida cannnot knock out or submit hendo ( he will surely outstrike him from the distance, though) so, here are the possible match-ups
1 – machida vs rampage 2. this is one machida will definately take it. how? i guess by points
2- machida vs Davis. machida wins either by KO/TKO.
3- machida vs franklin. machida wins by KO/TKO
I think right now machida is in process of changing his game. As for Jones vs Rashad, well, there will be no upset this time. Rashad goes down in 2-3 rounds. He may have a first good round, though. I have watched the Jones vs Machida many times. if Hendo hit Jones flash like Lyoto did, or had him disoriented like in the last 30 seconds of the 1 round after that nice kick to the body, there would be another champ now.
I looked at the UFC light heavyweight roster, and I must admit, slim pick’ns. That said, I think the following 2 fights are great for CLOSURE (for Machida and most certainly for his fans) because I know that our new Machida will kick both their asses, and we can all sleep well. Specifically, in this particular order:
1. Rampage ll
2. Shogun lll
And to cap it off,
3. Jones ll
No to Evans ll because I still like the famous knockout image of Evans and don’t want to taint it with any other image.
No to T. Silva because Machida has nothing to prove with that fight.
No to Davis, especially after seeing how Evans made Davis look like a novice.
Yes to chickenshit Hendo because I would like to see the famous jump front kick knockout, but with the left leg.
Most likely, Machida will be fighting other lesser opponents because Dana wants to push the lesser knowns up the pyramid.
Looking forward to see Silva/Sonnen ll, so Sonnen can retire from the UFC.
Well, looks as if Rampage is fighting Shogun. There goes two more opponents for Machida. Now them pick’ns are even slimmer! I’ll be cheering for Shogun on this one, but I won’t be paying for it unless there are a whole pile of other good fights on the card. That last Rampage fight really got me pissed with him, not to mention how he’s been behaving since. The only reason Dana hasn’t let him go is because he wants to try and make one more dollar off him.
That’s what the article I read said, and no it makes no sense for Shogun, although I hope he kicks his (Rampage’s) ass. Rampage has been whining about just getting wrestlers. Well, now he has a very competent stand-up guy….be careful what you wish for….
Well, Thiago is fighting Gustafson, Brandon Vera is injured and was originally supposed to fight Thiago. So that really only leaves Davis or Bader at this point, unless Machida waits to fight the winner of one of the upcoming fights. And like I said before, I can see Dana matching up Bader and Davis. I guess we’ll see. Same old song and dance for Machida, some things never change in with this company.
Okay,things are looking up a bit. This just in from Rampage: “To keep it real, the Shogun fight will have to wait. I just found out that I have to get surgery on both knees,” Jackson said Thursday on Twitter. “But I heal fast; don’t trip.”
Lets hope that its not Shogun vs. Lyoto lll…they have already fought twice & thats enough. And I believe that Lyoto will fight next in Brazil this summer so it would be better against an someone else (not a Brazilian). Bader or Davis….or even someone from Strikeforce?
Hey everyone, did anyone see jones vs that Brazilian journalist his name is mario Filho anyway jones had 3 3 minute rounds to do it and fAiled. This guy is 135 lbs, the only thin jones landed was a spinning back kick to the body! He was trying he throw spinning elbows and everything, he didn’t use his wrestling and jones got taken down! Crazy jones is a dock as usual he said before the fight ‘no mercy’ and made a joke of the whole thing and tried laughing getting taken down by someone 100 lbs smaller. Afterwords machida said ” well don’t for avenging me I’m happy for you’
Haha machida is the man! He’s looking in good shape
I think JDS will dominate Overeem. Thre is minimal size advantage and cigano’s hands are too quick and heavy. I think the Spider should beat Somnnen although perhaps I am biased due to the the fact that I have no repect for Sonnen. I think Anderson sometimes is guilty of not respecting the ability of his opponents and I think he did this with Sonnen the first time. Sonnen was drug enhanced at the time too. So I think Anderson will be alot tighter this time around. Having said that Sonnen did seem to take Anderson down at will last time and Anderson has had a long time off. It’s a tough one but I think Anderson will be more focussed and determined than ever given Sonnen’s trash talk and I think he may even win quickly (round 1 or 2).
JDS will dominate Overeem, I don’t see Overeem hurting him, sure he’ll land but Overeem can’t take a shot and his mentallity sucks when he gets hit he falls to pieces, JDS has the talent of pure boxing, believe, confidence, power, speed, technical and the skill to avoid punishment and capitilise on any opening. I think Sonnen will beat Anderson Silva up again this time he will have a victory, Since iv’e lost respect of Anderson Iv’e looked more at the style skills and weaknesses, Sonnen will take him down with ease again, yes he was geared up the first time but alot of his takedowns wasn’t brute force it was technical steroids don’t give you what sonnen got! Anderson’s wrestling is shit! did you see him sparring Lyoto? there’s no struggle then a takedown he just go’s straight down! and Munoz OMG! Anderson got annialated! Silva needs to get the Sub again! Sonnen been training with GSP and BJ PENN! Sonnen knows the pace, Can you see Anderson stuffing the takedown? What does that tell you? He needs a sub I don’t see it happening as always this is my oppinion, I see it going no other way, Sonnen is in Silva’s head big time! and what else Sonnen hurt Anderson on his feet 3 times in the first fight. What do you think of my comments. Do you think Anderson can avoid the Takedown? Can he submit Sonnen Again? Or do you see Sonnen beating him up for 25 minutes or until Anderson gives up, I don’t view anderson as the true fighter he once was. Did you hear him say that no one can beat Jon Jones WTF is that about? Did you hear him say [After the Machida vs Jones] No one from Brazil can beat Jones because they dont construct a game plan properly or analyze their opponant, Basically directing that at Machida, did he hear Machida’s responce? – By the way Machida, Munoz and Sonnen are good wrestlers but I was showing Anderson’s weakessness, and his weakessness are sonnen’s strengths
What was Machida’s response? That is a disrespectful comment from Silva. I think Machida had the perfect game plan. The plan was good, Machida just couldn’t execute it in round 2 because he was ill and gassed. I agree that Sonnen could beat Anderson, I just hope he doesn’t because has talked so much trash about Brazil. I was unimpressed with Sonnen against Bisping and thought he looked in trouble due strikes a few times (although the judges didnt really agree). I know Bisping is a different style to Anderson but I think Silva could win on strikes as opposed to sub. It will all depend on his take down defense which was poor the last time they fought. I’d be happy to see Silva lose to Munoz or Bisping, I just can’t stand Sonnen.
You guys missed the point. Anderson Silva said that about Brazilian MMA fighters to MOTIVATE them for the upcoming fights in his home-country. Believe me that he will Dominate Sonnen this time. And he & Machida are still great friends…as they are both true Martial Artists. Machida will probably be fighting in Brazil as well…maybe against Bader or Davis. Hopefully, not a rematch with Rua. That fight would prove nothing for either fighter at this point…
I think Machida needs the Jon Jones re-mach, anybody can fall into a choke and its not that easy to defend that especially how high he had it. I think even though gassed if he wouldn’t have been choked out, it would have been a different story in the end. Other than than let him fight either, Hell take them both!
Overeem failed his drug test and is out of the JDS fight. His testosterone levels were apparently over 10-1, the normal cut off being 6-1 or something like that. Dana’s pissed. The bigger question is who is JDS going to fight? Ah hell, throw him a “Bones”, lol!
Actually, as I’ve been reading, Mir is the obvious choice. But, one article mentioned Dan Henderson?? Interesting, given Henderson did fight at heavy weight in July, and beat a well-known fighter: Fedor Emelianenko. Could Henderson’s chin take JDS’s punches, and/or could JDS withstand a Henderson bomb? (or would he even be able to land one on JDS is the bigger question). Here’s a quote from that article:
“Timing might be a problem though, as Henderson would only have seven weeks to prepare, starting today. Not having to cut any weight might make it more doable, as he would be able to focus solely on conditioning rather than dropping pounds, but he said he would neeed twice as long to prepare for a five-round fight at 205, so who knows if he’s game to go five fives with the heavyweight champ on somewhat short notice.”
I gotta say, I’d be more interested in this fight than Mir stepping in. We could also see Henderson put his money where is mouth is, in terms of “picking” title fights, etc.
Overeem is out, Peter your missing the biggest thing Shogun wants Machida and Fedor has signed for the UFC! I said it would be Shogun and Machida and thats what I want! Since Cain is set to fight Mir that will be a top contender fight… JDS would kill Henderson I thought Henderson was lucky Fedor hurt him badly and got unlucky by an illegal spike questionably should have been a NC… So thats what I think…
I just know that Henderson would get killed is cardio is susspect espeecially at his age lol, also as I said just now did you see him get rocked by Fedor can you imagine what JDS’ timing would do? Peter, did you see JDS take a Carwin-Bomb haha then avoid punishment ?Henderson wouldn’t land it flush and be able too follow up he’s too skilled. Also, I want Mir to eat his words when he said he’s got a harder punch then JDS… It would be a better fight too!
That’s why he looks like his mother bred with a gorilla!
I did hear about the Shogun thing, but waiting to see if it materializes into anything. Your right, JDS would kill Henderson…..I think I would just like to see it, as Henderson is annoying me lately!
Let Henderson finally fight Machida… But anyway, I think that Lyoto will surface again in the summer in Brazil. It would be better for publicity & the UFC for a Brazilian to fight someone from another country, so I dont see Lyoto vs. Shogun…
I personally would rather see shogun vs machida reason being Philip Davies is not a mixed martial artist we saw that against Rashad there’s a time to stab and bang and there’s a time to take the fight to the ground Davis has not learnt that yet but then gain his wrestling has always worked so why change? Obviously after the rasha fight that mentality will change! I think badgers defence is suspect I.e the sub that jones use to beat him I.e the punch used to by tito. He didn’t look amazing against rampage and it wa rampage that looked terrible. As I said shogun is the only available guy tht would make a food fight! Machida improved after the first shogun fight he took shogun down and checked leg kicks whereas shogun emphasied on his hands rather then kicks I haven’t seen much improvement in shogun that will be the difference ! War Lyoto. Ye shall believe in those that shall say OSS!
I think the machida- shogun fight III will happen (and must happen!) but only after both lyoto and Rua will score at least 1 win before. and it should be 3 round fight where lyoto needs simply to outpoint Rua. Lyoto cannot knockout Rua, it is obvious. I fear that what might happen is Bader will meet Davis, Rashad will loose to Bones, Rua will retire Rampage and Lyoto will fight Matushenko or Gustaffson
To be honest, I’m really curious as to how the fight between Shogun and Lyoto would go down, in terms of what strategies they employ. Who do you think would win against Bader and Davis if they fought? I think Rampage will find a way not to fight in the ufc again; he already appears to be trying to get himself fired. He’s a very confused individual whom I think needs psycholgical therapy, not testerone therapy.
I’m debating about whether or not I want to pay for the Bones/Rashad fight, as the rest of the card doesn’t interest me, and their fight could possibly be really short, although I am highly curious to see how it plays out. At the risk of sounding ignorant, who is this Matushenko that you refer to?
I think bader would win even though I think Davis has more potential, I think right now bader can mix it up better with shots to the head body and legs, and the takedowns hopefully he’s worked on his bjj holes! Matleshenko is that Russian wrestler known as the janitor! He ko’d Jason brills recently and jones put him in a crucifix and finished him at one point ! Rampage is a joke I agree with you Peter ! The rest of the card is shit I will pay to see Rashad win ! I think shoguns tactics is weather to emphasise on the kicks or with the hands simple as that! I think machida should mix it up with clinch an takedowns like his tactics in the rampage fight but don’t be to laid back but be more aggressive in the distancing to avoid closing the distance! Machida has a few things to work on as Peter said more metal then anything. He should train with more Mmabay fighters, he has jds, nog bro’s, Anderson, aldo, Munoz thats my only criticism of machida I don’t want machida to retire knowing when he fights his fight he was unbeatable but he was unlucky which he is! Just fight shogun beat him and go for the quick title ! OSS to you machida I’ll be watching you friend
He’s in his 40′s haha! Peter I know your a fellow Canadian to gsp and you’ve spoken of your disappointment that he doesnt finish fights which is fair I am a massive gsp fan and he get no critisim from me but with his long lay off he’s not back in training for 2 months ganna be well over a year by the time he fight I see his return being a bad one which I hate to say what you think?
Ya, don’t get me wrong, I’m a huge fan and he represents Canada very well on the MMA scene, and has won numerous sports awards in Canada, actually beating out some hockey players for those awards, which says a lot, for you know how hockey is reveered here! The reason I critisize him like that is because I know how talented he is and that he is capable of so much more…..I just want ot see him maximize his potential. As for his return, I have mixed feelings. He is a very talented athlete, with a lot of heart, so never count out someone like that. However, an ALC is a serious injury, and given his age and the mileage that is already on his body….that could factor in. Condit is young, hungry and confident…..but I think if GSP’s head is on straight, he will be able to defeat Condit, but only if his head is in the right place. Just my opinion, but you did ask! OSS!
If Machida fights Matleshenko then we know he has been demoted by Dana to a 2nd tier fighter. This is unlikely given his last fight was for the title. I think that match up would be an insult to Lyoto. And I still think Hendo should be made to fight Lyoto. That guy is not the number 1 contender after Rashad, no way. How can you be a contender when you dont have the stamina to fight a title fight. He was all over Shogun but almost lost it in those last two and arguably could have lost the 5th 10-8 for a draw. He was completely spent. Rashad should not have been allowed to wait for Shogun (which never happened) and Hendo shouldn’t be allowed to wait for Jones. It’s a joke and the UFC loses credibility because of it like boxing. Anyway, I’m hoping Rashad will systematically dismantle Jones and grind him down.
yes, Lyoto’s last fight was for the title but he is 1-3 now. also; hendo, shogun, rampage, gustafson, rashad, silva are busy and the new comers like bader-davis will have to fight each other. In a way Machida is like John Fitch, no one wants to fight this guy as it is dangerous and no glory. As for Hendo, well, the guy is really super dangerous ( first 2-3 rounds, though). I was surprised Rua took so many shots, yet was not knocked out- he must have a cast iron chin.
Togi Machida doesn’t get knocked out within 15 seconds, he isn’t a grinder he’s more of an expert counter striker with an unbeatable style at times, and KO power also no fighter has that mentallity towards Lyoto look at the credit Jones has now got, and Shogun ‘solving the puzzle’ even though he didnt! Machida will fight Shogun I think I also want that! RE: GSP I Agree, I hope he doesn;t lose it’s ganna be well difficult for him, He needs to believe in himself and be more positive rather then the pessimistic ‘I got to much to lose mentality’ Look at the GSP that beat KOscheck the second time I thought that was amazing he finished Koscheck in the first (mentally) Rashad knows how to beat jones ive caught the hype up, Jones is saying rashad has only got take downs and a right hand! I hope that Right hand connects! I hate Jones I have ZERO respect for him because he is not as good as he thinks and he acts humble and respectful and he’s not OSS ALL ! What do you think the best game plan would be for Lyoto against Shogun? And what about JDS vs Frank Mir thats intresting#!
Just watched the Silva/Gustafson fight. It’s the first time I’ve actually watched Gustfson, and I’ve gotta say, I’m quite impressed. I would definitely like to see him fight Jones. I didn’t realize that he is actually taller than Jones. He’s very fast and has good footwork. I think Silva landed only a few shots in the whole fight. The announcers kept comparing him to Jones the whole fight. Him and Machida would also be a good one, considering they the foot work they would be use. I would give the edge to Machida though…..obviously!
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I don’t like how theey make out he’s the new Jon Jones. are they forgetting that he’s older then Jon Jones and that there stand up is very different he has better movement then Jones and better hands. I think Gustafson is a force but he did get tagged a few times there is definately question marks there and he definately not as clinical as Machida is…. That was not the Thiago Silva that MAchida fought he looked slower and of course he’s been out of action quite a while, But you can only beat what’s in front of you and Gustafson did that has alot of skills and tools, but if he fought Machida now, he’d get tagged, he would fail to inflict damange, his lack of clinicaility would fail him and I think Lyoto would beat him purely because of the better defence and the fact he’s more clinical. If Gustasfson could train with MAchida, or Vitor belfort they are probably the best to when I guys hurt they explode! If you compare Machida’s fight with Gustafason you will see a difference not in just the opponant but in how One fighter had the grappling and defence to avoid and was clinical when it came! As of ever this is my oppinion and is open to debate!
I agree with you Kevin. I think it was more because I had never seen him fight before and had always assumed he was more hype, but then quite surprised by his speed and movement. But you’re right, Thiago was slow and he just kept coming forward, eating punches. He for sure made Gustafson look good (although he did get caught by a few and looked mildly dazed). It’s just nice to see some up and comers who don’t always fight in the same MMA mainstream way of fighting, and use a little creativity for a change. I think we can both agree that with the right mentorship, he could be quite good in a few years!
I hope Evans beats Jones. Then Machida can do instant replay and beat Evans. And finally, we can see Machida/Shogun round 3! Machida/Shogun reminds me of Liddell/Ortiz! It’s so fun to watch. Train hard Machida. We want to see you win some more!
@Josh I think you mean round 7… I hope that Rashad wins I just don’t like Jones he’s had alot of media and adversity in the way his plane was cancelled or maybe that was UFC Bullshit to make Jones amazing… Cumon Evans! There will be alot of posts tomorrow when jones losing
Waiting for main event at my local pub with about 40 other local martial artists. Everyone here is hoping for an Evans win which says something about Jones given that Rashad has never exactly been Mr Popular . Jones doesnt seem to have much respect amongst martial artists. Go Rashad !
I hate to admit it but i thought Jones looked very good today. His technique has improved alot and he is very confident. With that reach i cant see anyone beating him until Lyoto gets another shot. Jones will dominate Hendo and then what? Lyoto is still the only one to have worried Jones so hopefully we wont have to wait too long for a rematch
I just saw the fight, it was quite boring but Evans stunned Jones With a head kick then Jones stunned Rashad with an elbow. Jones made alot of mistakes on his feet even jones admitted he made alot of mistakes, I hoped Rashad would win and I now hope Henderson will, Henderson is very aggressive on his feet like he was against Fedor and Shogun that’s the kind of standup that can scare Jones aslong as it stays on the feet, it will be intresting Jones will try and get it to the later rounds given Hendo’s age and we saw his gas againsthogun, but jones cant take what shogun did! I hope Hendo lands that shot, I’m hoping for a Shogun KO if not Jones will more then likely move to Heavyweight What you think Peter? After the first round Jones Got more confident, You gotta do what Lyoto did and counter from go obviously jones realised the standup wouldn’t work and netrillised the stand up with wrestling I hope and think Hendo will win, but he has 3 rounds to do it!
I meant Hendo KO an the last part in talking I machida and jones, It’s weird Rashad hesitated and was very hesitant, jones looked tentative against machida an rampage and shogun looked tentative against jones so machida Is the only one with the right game see how Hendo gets on!
At this point, I’ll cheer for whoever is standing opposite the cage of Jones. Everytime he steps into the ring, the first thing I think is, “man, he’s got skinny legs.” But no one is consistently attacking them! Why???
I think Rashad psyched himself out. I saw fear and doutbt in his eyes at the weigh in and walking to the octogan. Yes, he did have his moments when he caught Jones, but then he became hesitant again. Those elbows of Jones really mess with guys. Did anyone notice how Jones was “pawing” with Rashad, the way Machida was pawiing with Jones in their fight (right before Machida countered him)? Jones is like camelion (sp?), and just steals stuff from other fighters to call it his own. With the exception of those elbows, not sure where about where he got those from. Maybe they just work well for him because of his reach…..like most things he does. I actually enjoyed all the other fights mroe than I thought I would on this card. In fact, this was probably the boringest on the whole card.
Silva vs. Sonnen ll is being removed from the UFC Rio event this summer…but Vitor Belfort vs. Wanderlei Silva is still on. I am guessing that they will add Lyoto vs. Shogun lll as a co-main event…we’ll see…
Silva and sonnen are now fighting in Vargas which will make life easier for sonnen ! Also Dana white is considering machida vs shogun as the next coaches on ultimate fighter brazil that would be sick! I’m sure you guys have sen machida’s latest quote?
Interesting. I think Shogun will murder Thiago, although I have been wrong before. Although it would be fun to see Machida have his way with Rashad again, Machida and Phil Davis has always intrigued me too. I think Rashad is mentally on a “low” after losing to Jones, at least that is how he seemed in the post-fight interview. To then have him fight the only guy who KO’ed him? Not a good plan for the guy…..
What Lyoto quote are you referring to Kevin?
Hi Peter & Jamie i’d say all but I thought that would be lazy when i’m only speaking to you two haha! Iv’e been thinking why is it that Dana White ie such a Wanker to Machida after Machida got his first title shot and when he beat Rashad Dana gave him so much credit ‘every thing Machida hit Rashad with he hurt him’ then he said that One day Machida will be unbeatable and that he’d be the greatest. Then after UFC 104 Shogun vs Machida which Machida won in my eyes, With someone who HAS ADD (which is ADHD without the hyperactivity) I had to watch it without sound because Rogan fails to mention machida’s counter which was strange it was quite clear who the winner was. Id like to know why the big change? I see that fight as the central fact into the Dana- Machida change. Im sure things happened between the scenes but the hype changed. I always said that Machida felt he had to prove dana and all the critics wrong not that it bothers me what people think Iv’e had alot of adversity this month ive turned 22 recently on the 19th but my next fight and first defence is against a judo Black belt im not afraid to grapple infact i think im a better grappler but im struggling to get a world class boxer to train with ive had 3 sessions and 3 coaches have said that my style will not walk that being karate and counter striking but im not changing it machida does it and i know it works it works for me always ! why is people against karate? I have struggled with the transition from Heian Godan ——- rear stance to front stance awkward and it was difficult to perform
Use the pressure to floor when transitioning from different stances in a kata, Kevin. “Breathe through your feet” (just an expression) and use the floor to create power, think of the floor as an extension of your body. OSS! What rank are you in Shotokan?
This is a joke. Lyoto said he wanted to fight 3 or 4 times this year and Dana has given him nothing. If he does fight in August then at most he will get another one fight before year end. Very disappointing. Dana will bend over backwards to acommodate Hendo and treats Lyoto like a 2nd tier fighter. It should have been Lyoto v Shogun or possibly Davis. Will a win over Bader improve Machidas standing in LHW, I doubt it.
Of course a win over Bader would improve his standing. WINNING improves standing. Derp. When you lose a title fight, you fight your way back. Bader deserves another top 5 oppenent, he beat Rampage. Whether you like Ryan Bader or not give the man so credit. Machida def. has the advantage in this fight. That being said, Bader has power if he connects clean, and has good top control.
Well it’s good to know that not only I, but many other supportive fans are aware of Lyoto’s new opponent, Ryan Bader. I am very glad to hear Machida is back in the mix.
Furthermore, they need to really update this website. Over a year and no updates?
Anyway, This is a great fight for Machida to rebound on.
Bader’s got no chance. Machida via KO.
I will not deny Bader has power and wrestling, but based on Machida’s last performance against Jones. Bader aint gonna be bringing anything new to the table.
Fight your way back to the top brother and take that belt back!
I also heard Shogun was interested in doing an Ultimate Fighter series with Machida and having a 3rd fight to end their trilogy..interesting. I would say if not Bader, then perhaps Gustafsson. I also would be very interested in seeing a Jones rematch. As long as Lyoto can avoid tangling up with Jones than it’s his fight all day as seen in their last fight, especially round 1.
I believe that it will be an easy fight for Lyoto. Bader is not as elite as Shogun and (conditioned) Rampage. Shogun’s next fight will be a walk in the park for him too. Yeah, it was all about the upcoming next season of The Ultimate Fighter/Team Rua vs. Team Machida! I really can’t wait for it!
Machida vs. Bader Prediction: Machida via referee stoppage
I’m train with black belts and i’m a blue belt, they are moving very fast they have said to me they’ve made it more advanced early (on purpose) dd you struggle with that stance switch and first? I might be being crytical of myself but I am comparing my movement to black belts it hasn’t helped that I’m training many other Karate bases, it’s going well, I watch machida an can dame a lot! Technically im a black belt it’s just I haven’t train consistently but I want to improve. Do you train takedowns in your karate Peter? I have muh to learn I am finding the footwork difficult. I’m only 22 so I have a lot to learn! What did you find difficult Peter? Do you participate? Do you believe in all the philosophies of karate?
I started training when I was eight, and I’m 34 now. So honestly, I don’t remember what I had trouble with back then. We do train takedowns, as they apply to the situation, opponent, and as bunkai in kata (kata application). I have competed since I started, and have competed at the national level in the past 15 years, and internationally in the past 4 years. I believe in traditional karate philosophies, provided they can be applied to work in a real situation and are effective, otherwise it’s just “talk”. Keep training! Karate is a life-long pursuit and you never stop learning. What organization of karate does your dojo belong to?
The people who I train with makority of them black belt in Shotokan Karate belong to The Burleigh Academy the man they got there training from there Shihan is very much like that he said Karate has saved his life and because of the spiritual side of it has helped him stay calm and patient and also reasonable in his business situations. So i’m fully aware of that! But the more I train the less I seem to know and that has discouraged me of late ! You might find that weird, Ive trained and spoken with Shihan a few times and what he says to me is ‘you must first taste the milk before you enjoy the meat’… ‘walk before you can run’ what I think he is saying is that im trying to hard to progress, which isn’t a bad thing in its self but you must relax. I have much to learn I guess i muist relax and enjoy the trial and error. The footwork is amazing how defence can be used to attack, avoid damange then attack when you’re opponant is at his weakest and it’s frighening when you see a guy leap forward it’s scary stuff! Iv’e learnt that when you fight someone with no karate background you have an advantage in some areas! Yeah it can be defended it’s like jiu jitsu if you fight someone with no pire jiu jitsu training you will have a massive advantage but it still can be defended alot of wrestling does that! But that’s what i’m working on being it the defence—– Setting up defence to attack—— then leaping forward and attacking—— Machida is the best for being that! Peter jamie what’s your guys thoughts? Also what’s your thoughts on Hendo and Jones? Does anyone know who Henderson’s camp is with? I hope it’s with Randy the game plan would then beat jones haha!
Karate takes a lifetime to master (that’s why the masters are so old!). It was never designed to be a quick fix. That’s why most young people now don’t want to train it because it takes too long for it to become effective. They also don’t understand that all the long, exagerated movements are meant to be used as a training tool to teach the body proper biomechanics to distribute force. Most karate techniques are linear in nature and this is not natural for the human body; it must be trained in a “big” way first and slowly refined to smaller more realistic movements (but we always still train/return to the long stances/and kata/kihon as source of refinement for even better application tehcnique). This is why most people catch on to boxing style punching first, because it is easier and more natural for people to throw a circular punch and feel like they are creating force. Karate takes years to learn how to distribute force linearly, which is why the training is designed the way it is, and very traditional in nature. I was told that when you live your life with the Budo spirit you are practicing/doing “karate-do”, and when you actually have to defend yourself, then you are practicing/doing “karate”. It’s about a balance between understanding the lifestyle and mindset and also the “hands-on” application of technique and when you should truly be using the techniques (traditionally for life and death). The techniques were originally designed for life and death situations, not really for a “cage-fight”. Lyoto even admitted to not using his actual karate techniques in MMA for fear of killing someone; which is why in some of his earlier fights he took in to the ground and used his jujitsu and muay thai. Interesing topic!
I fully understand when you say the more you train the less you know. When anyone starts out they don’t appreciate what is ahead of them. You have obviously learnt enough now to appreciate the enormity of what lies ahead. That already shows a good understanding and appreciation of your art. You already have the spirit of a true martial artist and have a fighting background so I’m sure you will become proficient relatively quickly. Of course the learning continues for a lifetime, even for a master, but someone with the right attitude and physical attributes wont have to wait to long to attain a good woking knowledge of the system. I trained with a 9th dan Goju Ryu master once and the entire black belt lesson was standing still practising Gyaku Tzuki (reverse punch). Even these guys think they still have alot of work to do on the basics! My point is that even those of us who have been doing karate for 20 years still feel as though we have alot to learn but that doesn’t mean we can’t become good martial artists in the meantime.
Anyway, I would love to see Hendo land a bomb on Jones’ chin and put him to sleep but I dont see it happening. I think I will look like the Rampage Jones fight with Hendo trying to land that one shot but never getting the distance right until he gasses in the throd or fourth and is submitted.
Good for him (Jones), I’d really love to see that ugly motherfucker to suffer (especially inside the octagon). He’s a fake shit and very arrogant. I’m also a very huge fan of Hendo but he needs a real lucky punch to win that match against Jones.
Does anybody here also collects Machida walkout tees? I do but I’m having a hard time finding his second edition Silver Star black/white shirt.
By the way they really should update this website. It’s been a long time and we already got 431 responses on this thread. Whew!
Well done lyoto (i’m KevinBushBJJ from twitter by the way) it was a brilliant performance as i and you predicted. Lyoto weather you fight jones or henderson (i’d say henderson) you will be champion you have Moved your camp to L.A which was the right decision lyoto you are my sensei! Bader had his game plan, he tried hitting but he missed you countered with a kick and then he started following you perfect lyoto i love you always! OSS!
Lyoto I’m glad you’re back!
Your condition and form during the Bader fight was splendid. Watching you fight is like looking at an obra maestra.
I’ll be rooting for your victory all the way from the Philippines.
lyoto got title fight again! though on a very short notice. Funny, it is in Toronto again. Honestly, though, i would like to see shogun fight fight JJ first. I will explain why. in his last 4 fights(except Griffin) Rua took a lot of damage and he gets slower fight after fight. Third fight with Lyoto will happen sooner or later. The later it happens, the easier it will be to beat shogun. I have to admit,though,Rua’s jaw made from concrete or granite.
I can’t believe Sonnen was offered a shot at Jones without a recent fight at LHW. Sonnen would not have lasted 2 minutes. Anyway, go Lyoto, you can do it this time. P.S this site is a joke. if you administrators are not going to maintain it then shut it down
I can’t believe lyoto declined the title shot are you serious? there are no exuses when you really want the title you GO FOR IT!! but now I’am starting to think that he didn’t want it that bad it kinda dissapoints me to hear this about lyoto.
i think it was a wise decision to pass the fight on sept 22. Lyoto would not be ready anyways. he had only 8 weeks first time and it showed then. NO, for, JJ, he would need at least 12 weeks of training. But JJ is in troubles right now.
He’ll get it when he keeps kicking ass like he did against Bader and the UFC has no choice but to make the fight happen.
I don’t understand why Belfort is fighting Jones, when Chael first stepped up and Jones has recently said he would fight him on the 22nd. Vitor is going to get destroyed, look what Silva did to him. I don’t even know how he will get his weight up in time. 4 weeks to put on 20 lbs? That’s muscle he would need, not fat (which he might be able to manage). But what use is that type of weight (fat) to him? I won’t be surprised if he takes “something” and gets caught…..
I love Lyoto but there is no way he should have turned down that fight. He has been begging Dana for another shot and would still be in good shape from his last camp. Vitor will get smashed. Jones copped alot of criticism after turning down Sonnen and was probably in a more vulnerable frame of mind. You don’t turn Dana down without some payback. Lyoto will now be pushed back in the queue
i doubt that lyoto would have any troubles. since he had not said yes and then turned it down! and the stakes are very high- should he have lost badly to jj again, then he would have to leave the 205 devision. now, what happens is that Hendo is out with knee injury (so he would need another 3-4 months to get ready), Shogun is still recovering after his fight with Vera (plus he signed contract for Gustaffson), Lyoto also is still recovering after his fight with Bader. Rashad just lost to JJ. Wonderboy-Davis had lost to Rashad and then got no-contest with Wagner Prado. So, the whole top 10 205 is unavalable. Technically, Gustaffson could be resigned to fight JJ. or Glover Texiera after he beats Rampage could be signed to fight JJ in December. I have a feeling UFC will force JJ to fight again in 2012 either Lyoto or Glover.
About Vitor.Well, he is said to walk around at 215-220lb. and he cuts weight a lot! so, fighting at 205 is only plus for him. his boxing is very good. problem is, imho, that he was koed too many times and he does not have very good bjj and good takedown defense, plus, his spirit is not the same anymore. If Wandy had Vitor’s skills, well, JJ would be in trouble!
A fight with JJ could be very entertaining but to win, Vitor would have to always go forward, like Thiago Silva does, and then count on his fast nad heavy hands.
Oddly enough Chael Sonnen is as dangerous to JJ as Vitor
since he is a really good wrestler (with pillow hands, though). But sonnen does have fighting spirit.
Lyoto was not comfortable on his weight against Jones during their first fight, he was packed up with bulky muscles that’s why he run out of gas on the second round. He should be on the same weight as he is against Ryan Bader to be able to run in and out for 5 rounds.
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guerreiro Lyoto,treine bastante adiquira mais agilidade e golpes fortes para a revanche contra Jon Jones,esse cara é metido demais se acha invencivel e nem um pouquinho humilde,não vejo a hora que um guerreiro brasileiro faça o bosal do Jon Jones beijar a lona,para aprender a ter humildade e saber que ninguem é inbativel,puxa um americano i chato detentor do titulo,é ruim de mais so,vi sua luta contra Jon Jones assim como do Shogun e Befort,vocês não pode dar espaço e tempo para o beiçudo Jon Jones se recuperar espero uma revanche sua do Shogun e do Belfort fazendo esse cara beijar a lona e abaixar a bola,de umas boas porrada nele,para mostrar que aqui no Brasil a guerreiros do ufc honrados e bom de pancada,é brasileiro detentor dos meios pesados,dos peso pesado como ja foi Junior Cigano,e peso medio Anderson Silva,e futuramente Lyoto Machida,isso é possivel so partir para cima do Jon Jones com rapidez habilidade e pegada forte,um abraço,não vejo a hora de Jon Jones beijar a lona e é bossal dimais.