By Greg Savage
Sherdog.com
LOS ANGELES – Lyoto Machida defeated Mauricio “Shogun” Rua by unanimous decision after five hard-fought, technical rounds to retain the light heavyweight championship at UFC 104 “Machida vs. Shogun” on Saturday at the Staples Center.
The decision was widely booed in the arena, with many patrons obviously swayed by Rua’s performance in the Octagon.
My corner told me that I was winning all the rounds,” Rua said. “I feel like I won this fight, but a fight is a fight. What can I do?”
He punished the legs and body of Machida — who, before this fight, had never lost a round in any of his seven UFC appearances — and closed the distance to negate a majority of his attacks. Shogun seemed to take over in the final two rounds, as Machida visibly slowed. The toll of the unrelenting body attack with which Rua had persisted paid dividends late and had the champion uncharacteristically out of synch.
By focusing on Machida’s body, “Shogun” targeted the biggest area of one of the more elusive fighters the sport has seen. Despite the loss, he easily eclipsed any of Machida’s previous opponents’ performances and may have put a crack in the façade of invincibility that surrounded the titleholder.
The early rounds were all close, and Machida did his share of damage, clipping Rua with slick combinations and kicks while fighting mostly a counterpunching style.
Round 4 seemed to be the turning point of the bout, however, as Rua steadily found the mark with more and more punches, as well as the thudding body shots with which he had already been scoring. The final round was all Rua. Machida, bleeding from his mouth and struggling to keep his hands up, was forced into a defensive posture while Shogun attacked throughout the frame.
When the final bell sounded, Rua threw his hands into the air and celebrated with his team; Machida half-heartedly answered, raising his hands in victory, as well.
In a telling sign, as he waited for the scorecards to be announced, Machida stood with his head down, looking solemn and preparing for bad news. It never came. All three judges scored the bout 48-47 for Machida, giving him his eighth consecutive victory in the UFC.
The battered champion admitted it was his stiffest test to date inside the hallowed Octagon and welcomed the idea of a rematch.
“Whenever he wants,” Machida said. “No problem.”
Tags: lyoto machida, shogun rua, ufc 104, 료토마치다
October 25th, 2009 at 5:06 am
What a sham, I’m disgusted!
October 25th, 2009 at 5:39 am
I´m sorry to say that the whole MMA-community is outraged.
Me, and everyone watching, was expecting to hear Mauricio Shogun Rua being called the winner. By no stretch of the imagnination could Machida have won.
Machida lost this fight, and the honorable thing to do would be to stand up to it. I understand that the fighters don´t make the decisions, but this is the worst decision i have ever seen.
J. Matsson
Sweden
October 25th, 2009 at 5:41 am
Shogun won the fight!Lyoto, if you are a real champion, step up and be honest about it that you lost the fight!
October 25th, 2009 at 5:56 am
Lyoto Machida is the best and will be defending his belt for a long time in this division. Keep doing what you are doing.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:13 am
Rua did very well but he didnt beat the champ lyoto was calm and collective the whole fight, eventhough lyoto took a beating to his legs. To me lyoto has a unique style which is very effective when the other person attacks, rua new this and made it difficult for lyoto. Lyoto needs to develop a style to counter this tactic and switch betwren the two depending on the situation.
Very well done champ still the best in my eyes
October 25th, 2009 at 6:20 am
How other site scored the fight
FightMetric: 49-47 Rua
Yahoo Sports / Cagewriter: 48-47 Rua
BloodyElbow : 48-47 Rua… Read More
USAToday: 48-47 Rua, 49-46 Rua
Savage Science: 49-46 Rua
ESPN / Jake Rossen: 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMA Fanhouse / Michael David Smith: 48-47 Rua
411mania.com: 48-47 Rua
CagePotato: 49-46 Rua
MMATorch : 48-47 Rua
MMAJunkie : 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMAMania : 50-45 Rua
5 Ounces of Pain : Rua (no score given)
Fightlinker : Rua (no score given)
MMAConvert: Rua (”Machida was given a gift”)
ProMMA.Info: 50-45 Rua
Sherdog: Jordan Breen — 48-47 Rua, Brian Knapp — 48-47 Rua, Mike Fridley — 50-45 Rua
October 25th, 2009 at 6:27 am
The reason why Lyoto kept his title was because being the champion, he only had to defend his title (i.e. not get submitted, not get knocked out, etc…) He did an excellent job of that even though it was a grueling battle till the end. I am an avid Machida supporter as I practiced Jyoshinmon Shorin-Ryu for 10 years. I believe it was more of a draw. I would love to see a re-match between these two.
October 25th, 2009 at 7:21 am
Lyoto falou tudo !
decisão unânime n tem nem como contestar …
October 25th, 2009 at 7:44 am
VAI ME DESCULPAR MACHIDA, MAS OS JUIZES ERRAM NA LUTA…E NORMAL ELES SAO HUMANOS,, O SHOGUN GANHO AQUELA LUTA,,VC TAMBEM LUTOU BEM MAS DESCULPE VC PERDEU ESSA LUTA,,NAO OFICIALMENTE MAS PERDEU, ABRACO,,WALLY (BBT BOSTO)
October 25th, 2009 at 8:27 am
i watched the fight a few times. i can see how they gave machida the win. but as a fan of machida since his beginnings it just makes me a little sad that he wasnt more aggressive and take his win instead of getting a lucky decision. hes human he must have been hurt, ive been there and if your hurt some people turn into a different fighter. it sucks to see my hero look human, but he never gave up or quit. congrats on the win and you deserve that belt. im a fellow kung fu and karate practioner, either way your still the man to me and lots of other fans. just keep moving forward, this battle will only make you better.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Lyoto, estava nos seus olhos a confissão da derrota. Olhos perdidos, olhos que diziam: “Perdi, o sonho acabou”. Depois, numa decisão política, você sorri aliviado. “Ah, que bom! Foram parciais.” No final, para coroar, o samurai ético e honrado se nega a admitir a superioridade do adversário, como fez Randy Couture com Pedro Rizzo. Bela demonstração do poder da fama e do dinheiro sobre a honra e a dignidade humana. Parabéns, campeão.
October 25th, 2009 at 9:08 am
hey machida…….first of all you win the judges gave all rounds to you……but i think the next fight you have to push the action,be more aggressive,take it to him…any way good luck in all your futures fights and take some family time …
October 25th, 2009 at 9:31 am
aih… gosto do seu estilo, tdos lutadores comentaristas te respeitam… mas essa luta vc perdeu! perdeu feioooo.
não foi justo esse resultado, o shogun te moeu…
terah credibilidade os resultados, por decisões de juizes??? pelo jeito não. nesse domingo o MMA estah de LUTO!
lute de novo e mostre oq vc fez contra o Evans. limpe sua carreira.
October 25th, 2009 at 9:57 am
What a horrible performance for a “champion”. How can you walk out the Octagon with your head high, knowing you were not the rightful owner of the belt. Shame on the California Judges, and you for raising your hands in a “victory”
October 25th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Lyoto.
Assisti novamente a luta e não tenho dúvidas em afirmar que você ganhou.
Os três primeiros rounds você ganhou, sendo que nos dois últimos a vantagem foi do Mauricio.
Continue treinando forte e não ligue para os comentários realizados sobre a luta e sobre a sua personalidade.
Um abraço,
Noboru Fukace
October 25th, 2009 at 10:18 am
if I was lyoto, shogun already broken thigh. let me you a hint; whenever shogun pickup his right leg, you lyoto quickly reject your right heel right to his right thigh or knee (double forces) meantime put your right elbow to his face, rotate 180 degree with left elbow then right elbow and rain down.
October 25th, 2009 at 10:26 am
hey machida i just watch the fight again ,i count all hits and you did win round 123, 4,5 were rua….next time more hits ……but a very good fight for you …good luck at what ever is next
October 25th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Congrats Champ! Never apologize for the win…poor/no class question by Pro-Shogun Joe Rogan. You fought with heart and I look forward to the rematch. I know you will silence the critics with a decisive victory. Your true fans will be there for you no matter what happens.
October 25th, 2009 at 11:31 am
I beat you this is bull.
October 25th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Congrats Lyoto! Despite everyone booing i think you won i was very happy with the decision. NO i did not have money riding on the fight. I just feel that Shogun didnt do enough to win the fight. He was throwing leg kicks and some punches. Im sorry but leg kicks wont take a title match alone. I think everyone is forgetting that Shogun Failed to take Lyoto down showing that Lyoto was more well rounded and dominant. Just my two cents. I was at 104 and cheering for Lyoto, i cant wait to see Lyoto fight again! Best of luck and all the best!
October 25th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Man im a machida fan for sure i honestly didnt think anyone would even put up a fight but in all respect and honesty i think a rematch for sure because i honestly believe machida didnt even fight the same. i believe shogun won unanimously. sorry lyoto and i hope to see the rematch soon.
October 25th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
I had money on you Machida, However I did not expect the Judges to “Give” you a win that you did not earn !!!
October 25th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Was Machida 100% for this fight? He said he was but I don’t believe him. Right before the announcement, I saw him having a conversation with Herb and his corner. As a fan of his, I also didn’t like the look on his face when Buffer called his name. Somebody claimed to have seen him with a tissue before the fight. In my opinion, that fight should have been ruled a draw. We are all programmed to think a title fight can never end in a draw and that is the problem.
October 25th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
This was a terrible decision. I feel so bad for Shogun. He put on the performance of a life time only to be robbed by the judges. Machida isn’t to blame, but he definitely lost that fight.
Rua 48-47
October 25th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
As a big fan of yours I’m quite disappointed in your acceptance of last evenings “victory”. Though it was a great fight on both sides the outcome was abundantly clear and to not voice your opinion about the matter made me lose an incredible amount of respect for you.
I really thought there was still honor left in this world but it appears I’m going to have to look for it elsewhere.
~A former fan.
October 25th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
To Lyoto:
I am a huge fan of yours. I have admired your style ever since I saw you in the octagon, and I could fairly call you my idol.
But I feel the Machida that came into UFC 104 was not the Machida that had me, and others, captivated with his elusive style. It wasn’t the same Machida that knocked out Silva and Evans, beat Tito Ortiz, and submitted Sokoudjou. This one was missing something that Shogun took advantage of, and I thought he was going to win.
Despite being disappointed, I haven’t lost my hopes, because the old Machida is still there. This was a tough fight for you, and under all the pressure, I know you did what you could. I hope that the old ways come back and you continue to stand at the top of the Light-heavy-weight division, just as you defeated all the other tough challenges that you had to face.
Win or lose, you’ll always have at least one fan that will support you.
-Ty
October 25th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
You know you lost the fight. You should handed the belt to shogun. you are a loser. My son looked up to you. BUt i tell him not to look up to losers. I thought we where going to enter the dragon era, but the dragon was not even in. YOur dad made a song and you still lost.
October 25th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Que pena, estava torcendo por você, porém o Shogun foi superior em todos os rounds… apesar da decisão todos sabemos quem foi o vencendor, e infelizmente não foi você.. espero que no rematch você realmente vença. Um abraço e que você tenha um melhor desempenho na próxima.
October 25th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
VERGONHA!!! QUEREMOS REVANCHE!!! ESSE NÃO É O LYOTO QUE CONHECEMOS…
October 25th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
best regards for champion!
serbian fighters.
October 25th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
respeito muito o teu trabalho e és um lutador de topo e dos melhores que já vi… mas ontem perdeste .o shogun foi melhor que tu em todos os rounds sem duvida… e tu sabes esse cinturão deveria estar em curitiba mas parece que o ufc perfere que esteja em belem…
October 25th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Congrats on your victory. It was a hard-fought competition, and I look forward to your next performance!!!!!
War Dragon!!!!!
October 25th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
machida won the fight 3-2, ut read on. i am a huge machida fan but i believe in being honest. machida was having problems in the 4th and 5th rounds. Rua was even able to connect some hits as Machida was trying to be elusive. Now the third round is where things were a little hazy and could of gone either way. Now i was not a fan of rua at all until last night as i sat 10 rows from the cage and saw it all close up, i can now say i am and i respect him. He deserves a rematch as soon as they both are ready.
October 25th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
lyoto should hand over the belt to shogun if he has any true warrior spirit in him. shogun is the real champion.
October 25th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
shogun won that fight everybody knows it, machida knows it
October 25th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Congrats on the win and your first title defense Lyoto! Don’t let the idiots get you down. Your true fans are still with you 100%!
October 25th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
It is obvious now that you care more about holding a belt than you do your own honor. You can at least be a man and admit you lost the fight. “Well, the three judges ruled….” We all know the decision, we just want to at the very least hear you say you lost. Give Shogun what he deserves, everyone knows you lost. Welcome to the “Machida Error” You are loosing many fans by keeping quiet and not doing the right thing.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
You lost the fight tonight bud
October 25th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Hey
congratulations to the victory you didn’t deserve.A lot of fans lost the respect for you after this fight and if you want the respect back,I suggest you give the belt to Shogun and then take it back after a tremendous rematch.I know it’s not your fault that the judges ruled the way they did but you must have known that win wasn’t justified. Well good luck in future fights.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Lyoto did not show his usual heart in this fight. When being repeatedly kicked, Lyoto countered only. I hope my favorite fighter will put on a true display of his abilities next time, and not wait, and wait, and wait like it looked was his plan against Rua.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Sorry Lyoto, you lost and you know you did.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
I think Shogun had it, Lyoto got a break. Unfortunate that Lyoto won’t experience that crushing feeling of defeat which could have inspired him to take is fight game to the next level.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
I for one enjoyed the fight very much ,I thought the fight was very close and am looking forward to the rematch,I also think that it is unfair and very childish and ignorant to boo a fighter who has just risked his life for you entertainment .
October 25th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Congrats on your victory. It was a hard-fought competition, and I look forward to your next performance!!!!!
War Dragon!!!!!
October 25th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Congratulations LYOTO! OSS… May all your Dreams Come True to become the best fighter in the world! You have been an insiration to all of us Shotokan practitioners.
You have a lot of Loyal Fans here in California at the Academy of Karate in Duarte… Good luck for Future Fights…. Long Live the Machida ERA!!!
October 25th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Many people in the MMA community believe shogun won this fight (and with good reason). However why was the dragon’s fighting style different this time? It seems to me his distance with Rua was closer than he typically is with his opponents. This played nicely into shoguns style of fighting and allowed shogun to utilize effective kicks. I wonder what Machida’s strategy was by changing what was working for him before.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
everybody saw Rua won! I’d be shame If I was Machida for this “victory” without merit.
October 25th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
It was a close fight but I think that the judges got it right for once. Lyoto countered everything that Shogun threw at him. Lyoto had Shogun in trouble a couple of times and Shogun was lucky to weather the storm. Congrats to Lyoto on a great victory.
October 25th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
Machida underestimated Shogun in their first fight, I doubt Shogun will even survive their second fight because Machida is the master of technique and strategy, which always wins. This rematch will be a wake up call to all fighters, you cannot beat a master strategist, Machida will be a different fighter for the next encounter. I estimate the Machida era to last 3 years.
October 25th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
PAPER CHAMP!!!
October 25th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
“In a telling sign, as he waited for the scorecards to be announced, Machida stood with his head down, looking solemn and preparing for bad news…”
PAPER CHAMP!
October 26th, 2009 at 12:19 am
I respect you as a fighter, but you lost the bout with Rua, and you know that, everybody knows that. He was better man that night and he deserves the belt.
October 26th, 2009 at 2:24 am
it should have been a draw =(
October 26th, 2009 at 3:36 am
i think that perhaps the fight should have been a draw. machida applied his strategy very effectively, though rua had come prepared. rua had landed several good kicks, and he kept a very cool head, excellent self control, neither too aggressive nor too passive., very careful. however, machida too was cautious. rua’s takedowns all failed to pay dividends, though. also, several of his kicks had missed. sure, he managged to land some devastating ones, but so did machida. in fact, i think he landed more. his counters were very good, and dead on. if you see machida in his pre-UFC fights, you’ll notice he has some of everything, and he is aggressive. He fought boldly, and toe to toe. i think that he should work on his ‘evasive’ strategy, and maybe he should work on his conditioning. rua should work more on his speed and timing maybe, i think. his overall strategy was excellent, and very effective, though. oh well. Both are great fighters, and i am very much looking forward to a rematch. Go Lyoto!! Ryoto! The Dragon!!! Machiiidddaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 26th, 2009 at 3:53 am
Dragon is winner, yes!!! I don’t know why some don’t think so… Shogun fought better than we had expected. but that’s all. “fighting better than we’d expected” is not equal to defeating Dragon.
October 26th, 2009 at 5:49 am
This was well written. I am tired of reading all the bashing on Lyoto. This was still an excellent fight. I think people expected Machida to never ever get hit so it came as a surprise and everybody starts booing and believing Rua won. Why, because Machida got hit? I mean this is UFC, he was going to get hit one day right??? Anyway, I am glad Machida won and still has the belt. The difference between him and any other fighter is the respect towards fighting. He is the champion and an influence. I have to order his DVD’s for my son who will be 3 in a year. Nobody else in America will teach him this young. And more than anything, I want my son to learn the lifestyle, the art that Machida’s gained through his father. Its amazing.
October 26th, 2009 at 6:07 am
Lyoto,
Do not be disappointed in your performance, you are a champion and you are still the champion. I admire your courage and dedication to the art and wish you continue taking the challenges that you do, because I believe you will persevere through it all. Congratulations on the victory!
October 26th, 2009 at 6:18 am
Did anyone else notice how the crowd booed for him like they did for Anderson Silva against Cote? C’mon people, get over it. People want to see a bloody death in people you know? The people booed for Anderson and Lyoto for the same reason, because they did something they didn’t expect and that was…ummm.. fight…? I can’t afford to go to the fights but it was still worth my $50.00 on PPV.
October 26th, 2009 at 6:54 am
Eu sou um grande fã do Lyoto. Mas é de homens reconhecer quando a gente perde.
Lyoto, devolve o cinturão para o Shogun cara, vc sabe que vc não ganhou essa luta.
Aprende com esta derrota e volta mais forte do q nunca cara, mas até isso acontecer, o Shogun é o campeão pra mim e pra mais de 90% das pessoas que assistiram a luta.
October 26th, 2009 at 6:59 am
Parabens pela defesa do title
torcemos demais por vc aki
vc mereceu a vitoria claramente
um grande abraco da galera aki de NY
October 26th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Bullsh@! decision.
October 26th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Que Campeão que nada… apanho um monte do Shogun e perdeu a luta….
October 26th, 2009 at 8:37 am
I watched the fight a number of times, I know fighting and more importantly how to score a fight and there is no question that Machida won the first three rounds. I am sickened and once again disappointed in the UFC and the fans and management. Two first class fighters gave an incredible display of technique, stamina, conditioning and talent. Five rounds, flat out, no rests, no signs of weakness and what do the so called “fans” do at the end of it all? Boo and jeer, you are a bloody disgrace and clearly have no idea of the fight game or even the basic skills required to even step into the ring, let alone face either of these two men. Machida is the champion, he does not need to chase the decision, Rua needs to win, he is not in front of a jury, this is not corporate America people, Rua must win those rounds, he must chase Machida and beat him, not convince a few people that he did well and maybe just beat Machida at the finish line, he has to win and clearly so. If not, then the Dragon retains the title. That is the premise of a championship belt, the owner has it, the challenger must take it, earn it, not simply turn up and give a good display. Rua was incredible, a magnificent display and he deserves another shot to perform, no doubt about that, he was first class and as Machida said, “the hardest fight he has had in the UFC”. Is that not enough, Machida destroyed Evans, a man who fights for a living. Machida should be praised for the win, and I would like to see Dana White praise the champion and stand behind his refs, not complain and pull silly faces like a child when he didn’t get his own way. What is your deal Dana, you start a company and do very well but shaving your head and standing amongst fighters does not make you one, and definitely does not entitle you to play God or impose your will where ever you see fit. I understand that the money is all important to you and your precious TV face time is what you live for but come on, have some balls and more importantly some pride and conviction. Machida won that fight, you clearly do not know what you are looking at by disputing that fact and by making the statements you have I would not be surprised if you have placed a cloud above yourself within the business, you have no problem in standing there and moaning about the decision but I don’t hear you ask people for a little respect for the fighters and what they just gave, you never show any respect or class around these guys, they are like cattle to you and it sickens me, the dollar sigs are all you see. Congratulations Lyoto, you are the champion, by unanimous decision. Well done.
October 26th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Sorry, i’m a Lyoto big fan but when i saw the decision i was not agree.
October 26th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Shogun called he wants his belt back.
October 26th, 2009 at 10:19 am
A primeira coisa q o site precisa ser eh imparcial. Eu postei um comentario geral sobre a luta, dizendo q o Lyoto nao eh mais intocavel. Entretanto elogiei a sua luta e disse q merecia vencer… ateh agora o comentario nao foi postado. O site eh em homenagem ao Lyoto, mas se for imparcial e publicar tambem criticas mostrarah q o site, assim como o proprio lutador, nao eh como os outros… Lyoto nao eh um lutador como os outros. Ele saberah ouvir as criticas e melhorara com eles. Sensei Machida deve concordar comigo.
Abracos
October 26th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Lyoto Machida is a phenomenal Champion, battling through one of his toughest fights to date Lyoto stood firm and fought through a storm many men would have rightfully withered under coming out victorious. Your fighting style and your humble nature are greatly appreciated. Thank you Lyoto for having courage and holding your head high.
October 26th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Lyoto, you aren’t the real champion and 95% of the MMA world realizes it. You had the look of defeat on your face after that fight was over and you know it. The decision was a mockery of the sport and if you had any kind of honor and were the warrior you claim to be you would relinquish your belt to the real champion, Mauricio “Shogun” Rua, and attempt to get it back in a rematch. I have long admired you and your family’s karate style, now I think it’s a huge joke.
October 26th, 2009 at 11:06 am
mais karatê, lyoto, mais karate, s alma do karate é o makiwara. yoko-geri eles não sabem o que é isso
October 26th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Hey Machida! Give that belt to the real champ Rua! He whooped your but and you know it! And he’s going to do it again. Only next time he’s going to knock you out, one unibrow out!
October 26th, 2009 at 11:21 am
good job Lyoto, the rematch is all yours
October 26th, 2009 at 11:38 am
u loos machida!!!
October 26th, 2009 at 11:41 am
“Machida edges Rua by close decision”
Nice title, we all know who won the fight. Give Shogun the belt, win it back via a rematch.
October 26th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Lyoto, I had a ton of respect for you, but you just plain agree with a robbery, you knew you did not win the fight, you should give up the belt, if not to shogun, vacate it, Even Rampage, who I belive has 1/4 of the honor you have, when he thought he did not deserve to win the fight against Ninja, he wanted to give away the trofy it was offered to him.
Show some respect to the MMA world, and at least say, hell, it wasnt my fault, the judges made a mistake, I know I lose but I cannot do anything about it.
October 26th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Please admit defeat like a true karate Master. You did not win the LHW title.
October 26th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
i seen the match i 100% support, how the out come was first and second and third rounds was lyoto machida.
October 26th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
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October 26th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
It was a close fight. Shogun may have been winning the latter rounds but Machida fought pretty good. It wasn’t his best performance but all he needs to do is tweak a few things and he could easily put Shogun away in the rematch.
October 26th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Otima luta Lyoto!
Parabens!
O povo diz que foi polêmica a luta, mas nao foi bem assim!
O Anderson Silva confirmou que voce venceu todos os rounds!
Você mereceu!!
Como diriam por lá…
You are the Champion, man!
Abraço!
October 26th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Lyoto,
You are a great fighter. And so far, you have been a great man. You fought well at UFC 104. But I know that you know, as well as the fans, and >90% of the sports commentators that Rua deserved the win. I hope that you will show honour like Rampage did with Murilo Rua.
Lyoto Fan,
John
October 26th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Lyoto landed more punches to the face and those leg kicks werent even hurting machida. Machida is the best of the best. Machida and Shogun are my two favorite fighters but Machida will beat him in the rematch
October 26th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
It was a close and tough fight of course. These guys are professional fighters so of course it was a battle but Machida edged it out in a close decision. Lyoyo, no matter what people might be saying you are still THE MAN!!!
October 26th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Lyoto won fair in my opinion.
October 26th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
you got this
October 26th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Lyoto won the fight 48-47 in my opinion. I think if they rematch Lyoto will beat him worse. Machida is the champion and nobody can take that away from him.
October 26th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Lyoto did more than what some guys think.
October 26th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Rua fought a tough fight he stopped alot of advancing Lyoto did a good job out pointing him in almost every round but the fourth. Great Fight Regardless cant wait to see a rematch look for more takedowns!! muay thai is tough to beat with karate but machida shotokan ios diffrent!
October 26th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
lyoto did a great figth, he countered , he strike; you can not take away the belt to the champ if you do not show as superior i think that the fight was a draw, but as the status of champion he had the advantage. It was a reasonable desition, the next figth! it would be a bath blood machida is gonna knock the hell out rua im sure.
my friend you are a great warriror
by the way most of the people that writes doesnt have a clue of waht it feels stand up at a ring and ever worst most of you had never fought in their lifes.
peace out
October 26th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
congratulations lyoto! the match was too close for comfort, but next time you’ll beat him decisively
October 26th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
I want to point to the last 30 seconds of round 3, Lyoto “The Dragon” Machida unleashed a flurry of kicks and punches on an opponent who was pushed back and took 13 strikes while handing out only 5 in return, yet Joe Rogan called out 2 of the 5 shots that Mauricio “Shogun” Rua landed while completely ignoring the 13 that Machida landed. This is just the worst example in a fight in which the champion landed more strikes in rounds 1, 3 and 4, yet the announcers acted like the challenger was winning hands down. There were at least 6 other instances where Machida landed a hard punch or combination to Rua’s head and face just before, at the same time or immediately after Rua landed a leg kick, yet only Rua’s strike was ever related by Joe Rogan. I love Joe and I think he is a great commentator and ambassador for this sport, but he CLEARLY had his favorite for this fight and was unable to put it away. If Joe Rogan wants to be a judge, let him train and learn and become one, until then, he is a commentator and he didn’t relate this fight correctly. As a result, a great many people THINK Rua won based on his commentary. Watch the fight again. I personally thought the judges got it exactly right. I scored the fight the same way, 48-47 Machida, though by no means was this a dominating victory. In fact, every round was extremely close except 3 which I gave to Machida by the largest margin. Although Rua’s kicks clearly had Machida hurt by the fifth, that round also was razor thin and very close, contrary to what most people are saying everywhere. In the end, both fighters looked great and put on an awesome display of technical prowess in a primarily defensive counter-striking clinic, with neither looking to be that much greater than the other. A rematch is in order, but let each fighter go out and fight at least one other before they do it and put on a great show comparable to UFC100 next summer.
October 26th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Não há dúvida que na luta contra Shogun Lyoto Machida estava longe daquele Machida que todos nós conhecemos. Pouco antes do início da luta ele parecia estar preocupado com algum outro assunto …
Mesmo assim, só para os leigos Machida não venceu. O povo quer ver show e espetáculo que só acontece quando há trocação franca ou superioridade indiscutível de um dos lutadores. Nada disso aconteceu na luta entre Machida e Shogun. Por isso o povo vaiou no final.
Os juízes fizeram a avaliação técnica, por isso a vitória de Machida é inquestionável.
Devemos reconhecer que o Shogun foi muito eficiente nos chutes baixos, pois eles incomodaram bastante o Machida, mas foram ineficáveis pois Machida demonstrou excelente capacidade de assimilação e recuperação, tanto é que em nenhum momento da luta, Shogun conseguiu dar continuidade ao ataque após um chute baixo e isso influenciou a decisão dos juízes favoravelmente a Machida.
Todos sabem que Shogun é excelente nas quedas, mas todas as tentativas de derrubar Machida falharam. Mérito de Machida que mais uma vez deu grande demonstração de tirar proveito dos ataques de seus adversários. Com certeza, isso também impressionou os juízes.
Por outro lado, o campeão dos meios pesados acertou potentes joelhadas, desferiu socos em contra-ataques e mostrou, mesmo longe de sua melhor condição, ser merecedor do cinto dos meio pesados do UFC.
Tanto para Machida, quanto para Shogun e também para o UFC, uma revanche terá que acontecer. Acredito que numa próxima luta entre Machida e Shogun, a única dúvida será para que hospital levar Shogun após o combate.
October 26th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
By the way, congratulations on a hard fought victory that you earned and deserved Lyoto Machida!
October 26th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
Machida, I was stuck at work while the fight took place. I had like 3 “live result” blogs up to check the latest progress. No one had the same results, but a few people said you totally lost and it was obvious, like some here. I got home and watched it numerous times. I noticed Joe Rogan was literally in love with Rua. He would go in for a kick, you would smash his face while he kicked your mid section. I saw his whole body weaken after you hit him, but Rogan only mentioned Rua’s kick. This happened several times. I think a lot of people need to really watch the fight with the mute button on. I think you had a true battle with Rua, but won none the less. No matter what, it was definitely nothing anyone could call an ass kicking for either side. Rest with your family for now, but then prepare for your rematch. Just work on your kick defense and he will have NOTHING on you. Thanks for motivating this former shotokan practitioner to get back into shape after my injuries.
October 27th, 2009 at 12:02 am
i love shogun, he’s a really good fighter and a gentleman. But i cannot say that lyoto lost the fight. I watched every detail of it and saw that lyoto did better in most of the rounds. During the highlights, it was always shogun’s kicks that were shown and less on lyoto hitting the target. I understand, it could be excruciating on the part of the judges to render a decision considering that the people are cheering for shogun, but in my opinion it was the right decision, all 3 of them decided in favor of lyoto.
Despite all the opinions about the fight, WE LOVE YOU LYOTO AND WE BELIEVE YOU DESERVE THE CHAMPIONSHIP BELT. don’t be disheartened, instead take it as a way to improve your skills further. Everyone has to go through difficult situations.
October 27th, 2009 at 12:05 am
The first time watching the fight,I felt so bad for both of the fighters, I thought Shogun was robbed by judges decision.
I wanted to leave my feelings out of it, so I decided to analyze the fight by watching it many times, and even put some of the action in slow motion.
I believe the first two rounds were so close, it could of went either way. Machida won the third round.
Shogun, was slightly ahead in 4th and 5th rounds.
Overall, Shogun did Not “BEAT” the champ, and Machida kept his composure and defended the belt.
October 27th, 2009 at 12:57 am
I watched the fight very closely 3 times with slow motion and replaying a few parts several times. I think one thing that altered some peoples opinions of the fight was the commentary. If you listen to them then of course you think shogun was blowing away Machida. Every time there was a kick thrown by Shogun and Machida countered quickly they would say “Look at that kick counter by Shogun.” I slowed every one of the close exchanges down and you can clearly see that 75% of the time Shogun starts his kick and Machida moves in to close the distance and counters with a punch. While yes you are going to hear the pop from the kick on Machida’s skin the shot to the face had more impact. Some people simply do not understand why someone would punch while someone else is kicking at them. In their minds they think use the logic that the kick is stronger then the punch so if they both hit the punch “wins” so to speak. However, Machida was clearly waiting for the kick and trying to move in to close the distance and counter with the punch. The purpose being to stifle the kick, reduce its power, and land his counter with full force. I can not say that against someone with the caliber of kicks as Shogun that this was the best strategy but it was what he implemented. While Machida did do things wrong and the fight was close I believe that if you know what your looking at and watch the fight without anyone else talking you might see a different fight.
October 27th, 2009 at 2:05 am
First of all I fully agree with:
(tjfitz Says: October 26th, 2009 at 9:53 pm)
Its a BIG shame that the commentators Mr Goldberg and Mr Rogan didn’t were objective in their comments during the fight!!! I’ve never heard such biased comments during a fight ever! Shame on you guys!
UFC should be happy thay they have professional judges!
The Dragon is the Champ….
/M
October 27th, 2009 at 2:36 am
Guys, it was an amazing fight! And Lyoto is the true winner! Rua and Velasquez also rule.
October 27th, 2009 at 2:55 am
Lyoto, you clearly won that fight.
What is completely astonishing is that Joe Rogan’s commentary, which I used to enjoy, was the key bias that swayed the crowd away from the judges decision. Rogan is a commentator of what happens, NOT the judge of who won. Rogan overstepped his bounds, and did a huge disservice to Lyoto’s camp and all the fans listening.
For those on the internet, Joe Rogan on TV, and so many others that said “EVERYONE” thought Rua won, all of us who are reasonable men, quiet in our convictions, and not bully-ego-boys who believe that our opinions are more important than those judging these very technical fights, we reasonable men are in the majority and we respect the sport and the moment to accept the judges UNANIMOUS decision: Lyoto was clearly the winner of that fight.
Real martial artists bow upon entering and leaving the octagon, bowing to those deciding, affording respect where respect is due.
It would be nice that all the Rua won! fans, would enter the discussion respectfully and know that the next bout neither fighter will leave any doubt as to who won.
My congratulations to Rua, who fought a great fight. Plus Rua’s handling of the matter deserves a bow of respect. However, it was his own corner that gave him false confidence that he was winning, that caused Rua’s own demise. I heard them doing it during the fight and knew that was the wrong message for Rua, at that point, as it might and probably would lead him to a sure defeat.
For all the unheard masses who believe what they saw and respect the judges’ UNANIMOUS decision, I speak for you here that even though we are not disrespectfully vocal, we know in our hearts that Lyoto Machida won the fight, and he and his family are a very pleasant surprise for their composure during this trial.
In thanks for taking this lesson, Lyoto and family, and competing the task of beating Rua, in the very near future.
This followed by Dana White’s judgement of who won the fight, totally undermining both Lyoto’s camp and the judges’ clearly accurate decision.
Then we have Fightmetrics exposed for it’s own inaccurate system as most of us saw so many strikes that biased Fightmetrics did not see, for some odd reason.
I think Judge Cecil People said it best in his analysis:
The main-event of UFC 104 saw Lyoto Machida defend his Light heavyweight title by winning a unanimous decision over Shogun Rua but not without controversy as many spectators felt the scorecards reflected poorly upon the fight. Long time MMA judge and referee, Cecil Peoples provided us with his reasoning behind his issued score of 48-47 in favour of the champion, Lyoto Machida.
“First of all what you need to understand is that from where the judges are sitting, we get to see things that the fans at home may miss. Mauricio Rua was being aggressive but it wasn’t effective aggressiveness which is what we as the judges look for when scoring a fight. The way I saw it, Lyoto was landing the more cleaner and damaging strikes throughout the fight – if you take a look at the judging criteria clean strikes are valued more-so than the quantity of strikes landed. Although Rua threw a lot of low kicks they were not as damaging as Lyoto’s diverse attack in the earlier rounds which is why I scored the first three rounds for Machida. You have to keep in mind we always the favour the fighter who is trying to finish the fight, and leg kicks certainly don’t do that.”
“When both fighters are engaged in a striking match what I always look for is the fighter who is being judicious, picking his spots, being accurate and landing the cleaner strikes which ultimately is what Lyoto did more effectively than Rua. Lyoto made Shogun come after him, he determined where the fight took place which in my opinion constitutes as effective Octagon control. I recognize the fact that Rua did have a few takedown attempts during the course of the fight however Lyoto defended them all successfully which counts as effective grappling in his favour, where as ununsuccessful takedown attempts are not scored at all. Therefore going by that criteria, I believe Lyoto won the fight clearly. I’m just glad the other judges on the panel saw it the same way and I’m sure the fans who understand the technicalities of the sport agree with the decision too.”
October 27th, 2009 at 4:10 am
UFC 104- Machida vs. Shogun
Fight Analysis: Machida’s Mistakes/Shogun’s Success
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2249904
Be better prepare next time! Fight to the death!!
October 27th, 2009 at 5:01 am
the dragon was slayed by the shogun.
show some respect machida, and give the belt to rua.
he is the true champion, not you!
October 27th, 2009 at 6:32 am
Lyoto,
Fight was close. Shogun did extremely well against you however, you left with the belt. Get your ass back in the gym. Dont listen to these alegged ‘experts’. Your going to have to train smart and dominate your next opponent. Make a statement, and when you you fight Shogun again, you better be in shape. Shogun was the fresher of the two of you. Perhaps even train some takedowns. Your good at everything else and proved that you can take punches and kicks with the Shogun fight. I say well done on a hard fought victory. Now get back to training.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:28 am
Check out the interview of Cecil Peoples (one of the judges) on why they gave the fight to Machida.
http://www.411mania.com/MMA/news/120232
Sorry guys, Machida wins.
Rua, great job! You’re back! I thought your Pride glory days were over. Keep fighting like that, someday, you will have the belt!
October 27th, 2009 at 7:54 am
Lyoto, I’ve been a huge fan of yours for 3 years now, and have always been proud to call you my favourite fighter. I say this not only because of your fighting skills, but because of how you carry yourself outside the ring and because of your good attitude. However, I think that it would be a classy move for you to admit that Shogun Rua beat you by a landslide. There is not much that can be done besides a rematch, but you could atleast acknowledge Shogun fought a better battle than you. Just think how he feels. He trained hard, beat you fair and square, and had it taken away by UFC and the California judges. Lets face it. You were given this victory by UFC upper management because you’re more marketable to them, and you’re riding a tidal wave of popularity. Vacate the belt Lyoto, you lost it fair and square. A rematch means almost nothing, because the only fair thing here would be either for you to vacate the belt, or for Shogun to be given the belt he earned. I’ve put together a video compilation of similar matches, where the “underdog” clearly beat the more marketable “superstar”, and I think people are starting to wise up to the new marketing techniques being taken by the UFC to expand its popularity. I’ve been a huge fan of MMA since UFC 3, and although the popularity has exploded, the actual sport aspect has taken a hit because of management being more focused on WWE-style “entertainment”. In my compilation, there are 14 fights, which, in each one, the results were horrendous. For each fight I’ve included fan reactions, reactions from popular MMA websites, the athletes themselves, and national sports radio shows. People can watch it and decide for themselves what’s going on here..and it’s very obvious. Keep an eye out for it online. Shame on UFC management for letting this great sport become such a ridiculous fiasco.
October 27th, 2009 at 8:00 am
Lyoto is the champion! A good fight of Rua but not enough for win the match!
For me the winner is without doubts Machida.
My congratulations for you Lyoto, but for the next match i hope that you can fight better!!
Bye
Emanuele
October 27th, 2009 at 8:34 am
Congratulations lyoto! Its too bad the commentary by joe rogan was so absolutely biased towards mauricio that i wish i had turned it on mute. Looking forward to seeing your next fight! Good luck on the rematch!
October 27th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Lyoto você manteve seu título, parabéns.
Mas eu me senti envergonhado da maneira que foi. Shogun manteve uma postura básica de muay thai, e claramente faltou a você a agressividade e iniciativa necessária para ganhar e definir de vez esse combate.
Não foi o Shogun que foi melhor na luta, foi você que foi pior. Eu como karateca desde os 13 anos, hoje com 26, faixa preta em 2 estilos e querendo pegar uma terceira em um novo me senti envergonhado, você é nossa representante.
Treine com garra, entre pra vencer sempre. O cinturão tem que ser merecido em cada luta, cada batalha.
Faça por merecer, perca lutando, ganhe com honra. Torço novamente por você na sua próxima luta.
ps: Evite falar em inglês, seu inglês é péssimo. trabalhe sua imagem.
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October 27th, 2009 at 9:43 am
There have been many good points made on this and other sites. First, the fight was a very close one with two of the outstanding MMA artists with absolute control of their respective styles. Undoubtedly, each person watching has their opinion, however, each opinion is undoubtedly colored by bias. At the very minimum, even subconsciously, each person “likes” one fighter a least a little bit more than the other. In a very close fight, this bias will result in the heated discussions in aftermath of the contest. The judges were the “professional” observers with an decree to be “inpartial”. No one else watching was given specific instructions to be impartial, not Lyoto’s camp, not Shogun’s camp, the fans, or Dana and the UFC promotors. Only the judges were watching the fight with the goal of being impartial from the first bell to the last. Why should every one of the judges be biased for Lyoto? I personally found the fight to be awesome, with obvious respect shown by both fighters to each other, both before and after the fight. I would agree that a rematch is the best way to settle the debate. Prior to the fight, Shogun had some question marks, particularly due to the period of injuries. Which Shogun would show up? Lyoto had not bee truly tested until now. Had the decision gone to Shogun, a rematch would be planned anyways. Let the rematch happen, with each fighter better prepared for each other, and may the best fighter prevail.
October 27th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Great fight close but round 1 2 3 was clearly machidas shogun thought he could steal the victory glad the judges saw the fight I saw as many others saw cant wait for the rematch but to get the respect that is deserved you need to knock him out in rematch great job in defense .
October 27th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Guys, lets be honest and put the heart away for a sec.
it should have been a draw, if it was permited, however is you look how machida won the fight against Evans you will see what im talking about… Shogun just came for a ordinary figth, not like a champion, machida had just fougth to keep the belt. we were expecting a “very commited” shogun, but we was just OK, and fighting agains a champion we should be more convincent.
I believe that lyota won the Rounds 1, 2 and 3 and shogun withou a KnockDown or something impressive, only have a change to prove that we was more hungy for a belt.
The Dragon is the Champion!!! … no contest!
October 27th, 2009 at 10:53 am
As a champion you are required to face any and all opponents with out question you did just that. it was a great fight. theres no doubt that showgun won that fight but its showguns fault for not showing it to the judges. both fighters came in to fight and to put on a great show which they accomplished. you are still the champion lyoto but that doesnt mean there wont be a second fight between you and showgun. my suggestion is to take it to him dont just rely on your karate the only round i gave you was the 3rd. you made it convincingly so that you wont that round, come like that every round in the next battle and you will never be beat. much respect to you and your camp and your training. good luck in the future.
October 27th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Lyoto, stay calm:) You are a rightfull champ:)) . It was a difficult fight, but you still won. (I scorred 3 fisrt rouns in your faivor… 3:2)
Stas
October 27th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Lyoto, eu realmente torço por você, no entanto está luta não mereceu a sua vitória. Eu sei que a sua situação é muito difícil, já que os árbitros da luta deram a vitória a você e grande parte do público, inclusive o Dana White, não achou justo o resultado. De qualquer forma você continua sendo o campeão. Mas no fundo eu acredito que você preferiria ter perdido esta luta do que ficar ouvindo estes comentários, não é mesmo?
Bem, boa sorte a você
October 27th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
I do believe that Machida won the fight fair and square. If you watch the fight again and mute the stupid anouncers who by the way were Pro-Rua, you can clearly see that Machida had more strikes landed eventhough Rua was the aggressor. If you watch the video with the announcer unmuted, you will think that Rua landed more because all the annoucers kept saying was nice body shot Rua while Machida is actually hitting Rua in the freaking face. The judges saw the correct winner because they don’t hear these Pro-Rua annoucers. People are just disappointed that Machida did not dominate the fight but he did win the fight.
October 27th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
lyoto vc tem que afiar mas a espada!! eu esperava mas de vc!! mas espero que se tiver arrevanche vc o derrube apenas com um guiako suki , lyoto, Seja como a água que abre caminho através das pedras: não se oponha ao
obstáculo; contorne-o!” Alguém cujo espírito e força mental, se fortaleceram através das lutas com uma atitude de nunca desanimar não deve encontrar dificuldades em enfrentar nenhum desafio, por maior que ele seja. Alguém que suportou longos anos de sofrimento físico e agonia mental para aprender um soco ou um chute, deve ter condições de encarar qualquer tarefa, por mais difícil que ela seja, e de executá-la até o fim. Sem dúvida nenhuma, uma pessoa com essas características aprendeu verdadeiramente o Karatê Do.”
(Ginchi Funakoshi)
October 27th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Machida, just close your ears, ignore the media, ignore the critics, forget you have the title. Focus on training for the rematch and focus on family. Stay in Belem and train! Find out where you went wrong, and attack. I think the media pressure got to you. DO NOT LET IT GET TO YOU MACHIDA!!!! Train every chance you get with Anderson Silva! You have to win the rematch!!!!!!
October 27th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Machida barely won. But watch the fight without listening to that bias’d asshole Joe”The retard” Rogan. I re watched it and payed close attention. Machida did way better than you think. WAR MACHIDA!!!!
October 27th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Lyoto Machida won the fight. It wasnt the best performance by lyoto, but i watched the whole fight over and over again and lyoto clearly won rounds 1, 2, 3. Rua won rounds 4 and 5. It was a great performance by Rua, but no good enough. Everybody who is hating on Machida has to shut up, because he has fought the best fighters in the world, and now he is on top, and he will remain there for a long time….. Machida is the kind of person that learns from his mistakes, and he will knock Rua down in the next fight. MACHIDA is the best in his division period.
October 27th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
As pessoas tem que entender que o Lyoto também “apanha”, todos nós tinhamos aquela visão de que ele era intocável, um lutador que só batia e ganhava! Eu continuo achando que ele é o melhor, um lutador que só bate e ganha, apanhar faz parte do esporte! Agora o que é difícil para vocês que estão decepcionados com a luta, é que o Shogun também é MUITO BOM, claro que nós esperávamos por uma luta em que o LYOTO ia fazer o que fez com os outros, ganhar por KO e batendo mais!
Eu presenciei a luta no STAPLE Center e pude sentir na pele os momentos de tensão até saber que o LYOTO havia vencido a luta, realmente eu também esperava mais da luta mas não queria saber se o Shogun era bom, eu sabia que ele era, mas pra mim o LYOTO ia fazer com ele o que fez com os outros, e só quando eu assisti a luta que eu vi que realmente dois grandes lutadores se enfrentando se respeitam muito e não vão pra cima a qualquer hora, pois um erro deles pode custar um cinturão!
Abraço LYOTO, você é o nosso campeão, temos muito orgulho de você!!!! Estaremos onde você estiver pra lutar para lhe dar força!!!!
THE DRAGON IS THE CHAMPION
October 27th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Machida is champion who was defending the belt. In order for a challenger to win the belt, they would have to TKO, KO, or submit the champion. It’s the same in boxing, the champion needs to get KO’d or beat to submission otherwise they will retain the belt. Machida did a masterful job of defending. Until someone can KO Machida he will be champion for a long time.
October 27th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Awesome battle, Rua did a great job of making the champ look human but I genuinely believe Machida won, Rua got the body and leg kicks which winded Machida but Machida attacked with the most conviction and power, and to Rua head, I felt like Machida held back when he went in, he kept stopping, which i think was his mistake, but when he went in Rua looked surprised by the power of Machida strikes.
October 27th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
I think most of people would thinl Machida would win, and betting on him was supposed to be the most wise call. My conclusion is that there was a large amount of money that could´t be lost to some people and Shogun´s only chance was submit or KO Machida.
October 27th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Machida, vc é um grande lutador. Venceu a luta sim. Continue assim, treine bastante todos os dias. É a sua vida e sei que você gosta do que faz. Estou torcendo por você nas lutas.
É claro que as pessoas fãs desse tipo de esporte preferem ver agressividade e não estratégia. Mas o seu estilo funciona, é diferente, é inteligente. Não se preocupe com os comentários de outras pessoas. Não dá para agradar todo mundo…nem Jesus conseguiu isso.
Um grande abraço.
October 27th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Congratulations Lyoto on your first title defense. I’ve been a fan since your first fight in the octagon.
October 27th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Machida why are you doing this to your fans? Isn’t it more important to do what is right than to lose all your support? I feel so bad for ever believing in you at one point.
October 27th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
You have been a champion afraid … (I also would like you if I were surrounded by so much advertising)
You have defended very well his championship belt in this fight, and Mauritius has never won this fight … but it has been very close,-D
Everyone understands that if a challenger wants to win the UFC championship belt .. you must come here to the octagon for a fight much more dignified, and not only provide all the public, a few kicks in the knees Champion!
If we think that a challenger can win the UFC championship belt, to give more kicks to the knees than the champion, we’re all crazy
I think that this fight has been zero, and never has been challenging the new champion! (This may only think you have bet a lot of money by the victory of Mauritius)
Le mando un abrazo muy fuerte desde Valencia (España)
Su estilo de combate PUEDE destruir a casi todos sus desafiadores con mucha fuerza a la contra!!!…espero que ahora no tenga mas miedo de enseñar otra vez su formidable técnica,que su padre le ha enseñado!!
October 27th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Guess it figures. This is the most support I have ever seen from blind people supporting their “champion” Go anywhere else that isn’t Machida’s fan page and you will read what really happened. Be honest guys, look at Machida’s face when they made the call… he knew he lost.
October 27th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
lyoto, eu sou um mexicano, treine capoeira, nao falo bem portugues, treino vale tudo, voce perdeu na luta com shogun, sua luta e muito fraca, sua jogo e muito fraco, voce e anderson silva, nao som lutadores,eu pode pancar sua bunda,ganou com tito outro perdedor com voce,os conocimentos de shugun mais na filosofia de seu treinadores vai crecendo, e tamben fican mais lutadores verdadeiros, voce nao e um dragon voce es uma bicha, se que pode demostrar a voce eu reto pra partir sua cara em verdadeiro vale tudo
October 27th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Imo, don’t leave it to the judges. As a matter of fact, Machida went through Thiago silva and Rashad evans for that title, and with a defence fight set up for Rampage.
Rua on the other hand came back with fights against Liddell and Coleman, both are pretty old vets.
Rua should first go through least Rashad Evans before fighting machida.
Just based on recent fights upto the championship, I reckon Machida deserved the title more as he fought more formidable opponents.
But honestly, the whole community needs controversies and all that crap to spark up the sport.
Next time, a ko/tko/sub should be the result of the fight, then we can decide who won.
October 27th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
I just read your comments on Sherdog. You could have easily let this thing go and just marched toward the rematch if you wanted to keep the fans respect. But you’re going to lose it all over again with these comments. There’s no way in hell you won rounds 1 – 4, and I watched the fight without audio. You lost. The only rounds that were debatable were 2 and 3. I had you winning round 2, but losing all the others. You’re coming off smug and uninformed. You should have just said nothing, and focused onthe rematch.
October 27th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Machida won the fight for many reasons:
1. Kicks and punches mean nothing when they do not knock the opponent down, throw them off balance, make them wobble, and unable to fight back effectively, even if you see “evidence” on the opponent’s body. BTW, both bodies were bruised. Machida was never phased by any of Shogun’s kicks/punches. In the Griffin/Jackson fight, you can see the damage in Rampage’s knee with his inability to use that leg (not the case with Machida).
2. Machida’s defense (takedown defense and counters) was just as good as Shogun’s offense. Therefore, it was a wash.
3. For a Muay Thai fighter, Shogun was out-performed by Machida’s clinches and knees. BTW, the many times Machida was able to secure the MT clinch and knee Shogun made him the dominant fighter. Shogun was ABLE to clinch Machida’s body but UNable to follow through with the takedowns. Machida was ABLE to clinch the head/neck and ABLE to follow through with the knees on many occasions.
4. On numerous occasions, Machida was able to land punches to throw Shogun off balance as Shogun was attempting the body kicks. The kicks in those cases were not as good as reported by Goldberg and Rogan (look at those kicks again by pausing/playing at impact…they were interupted midkick by Machida’s advance). Rogan’s commentary might have given you Shogun fans some misguided excitement.
5. Granted, it was a close fight…Machida could have done better…and Shogun is almost back to Pride performance days. It was not a win by 2-1 judges. It was a win by 3 judges. Shogun fans may have a case if there was a 2-1 decision, which would have been a sign of ambiguity. Judges know what scores more points (true in any sport). With that said, you can’t deny that Machida aquired more points with the knees than those NON-devastating Shogun kicks (no matter the hit stats).
6. You gotta be champ material to BEAT the champ. Sorry Shogun, but close is not good enough. Seal the deal at the rematch (I’m sure there will be one).
We can all agree that fans on both sides are disappointed. Machida fans wanted a real show (especially like the last 4 fights) and Shogun fans wanted the belt. Both men would have to up their game. I don’t think we should confuse Machida’s disappointment in his performance (as any athlete striving to do his/her best) with him thinking that he actually lost the fight.
Keep up the good work, Lyoto! You deserve to keep the belt. Shogun would be ashamed to win the belt with this fight and can only dream to have gotten it from you the same way you had gotten it after DESTROYING Evans.
October 27th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
When I first saw the fight I thought Shogun won. But after I re-watched it, Loyoto definitely won. It’s the Joe Rogen and Mike commentating was so bias. If it wasn’t for them yellow like crazy at every little leg kick, people would have seen the 2-3 punches Shogun got in the head for his troubles.
I 100% agree with the Judges. It’s different when you re-watch and score it yourself without the bias commentators.
October 28th, 2009 at 2:16 am
I think this will only make you stronger, you are the dragon that no man, can take down. Not even Shogun in his Prime.
Long Live The Dragon!
October 28th, 2009 at 2:30 am
When I heard the news I was worried. After watching the fight there is no way the Dragon lost!!
Leg kicks don’t win you a title. There was no minute in the fight were Lyoto was hurt that I could see.
Rushing into a rematch with the Dragon will end up a KO or TKO. He will study Shogun and punish him badly.
No disrespect to Shogun at all but the skills of The Dragon is far more superior.
Lyoto Machida and Anderson Silva are number one P4P!!!
Good luck with whoever tries to take their title.
October 28th, 2009 at 5:23 am
The whole MMA Community is outraged???? Who?? The fighters? Because they are scared to fight Machida and would rather fight Rua.. The fans? Not me and many others aren’t upset either. It was a fight! I agree with “Z”, a rematch, Machida will definetely hurt Rua, but why worry? Whoever wrote about Joe and Mike commentating and being bias, I agree, a lot of people don’t know h ow to judge a technical fight, only cheer when there is blood, a bruise, a punch, or whatever… damn savages! LOL! I hope Machida kisks everyones A** and then retires. I hope Anderson does the same thing too, hurt everyone, then retire. Dana would hate that, no more money Dana? Geez, he is annoying… “now thats a fighter” shut up Dana.
October 28th, 2009 at 6:46 am
Wow!
This Machida-Rua aftermath is really funny to follow. I was there. Third row from the ring.
This was one of the most even fights I have seen in the UFC. Of course Machida was the winner. The only way to take the belt from a champion is the beat him all hands down. And come on. Shogun didn´t beat Machida. And I sat just under the Shogun corner. And let me tell you. His guys raised their hands but at the same time the looked real worried before the ruling was called out. I saw on of the Shogun-guys give his friend a tumbs-up. But he got a shaking head as an answer.
Now we will have a great re-match between two guys really going at it. I think Machida and Rua is the two top contenders at this weight. So stop pissing and moaning about who won. Lets look forward to the Machida-Shogun 2. I know I will.
October 28th, 2009 at 6:59 am
Lyoto ganhou, simples assim. Shogum o anulou? Sim, mas não vi Shogum conseguindo quedar ou nocautear. Foi anulado também.
Shogunetes tão de chororô, na boa.
October 28th, 2009 at 7:16 am
Parabens ao site por postar tantos comentarios. Como vcs podem ver ha pessoas criticando o resultado, criticando o lutador… mas tambem pessoas o elogiando e admirando seu estilo. A vida eh assim, nao dah pra agradar todo mundo. Novamente, se o Shogun fosse tudo o q estao dizendo tinha posto o Lyoto pra dormir…. nao foi isso que eu vi. Por pouco Lyoto nao poe o proprio Shogun pra tirar um cochilo no 3rd round….
Chute na perna nao faz ninguem campeao de nada!!!!
Se Rua fosse perfeito tinha levado a luta pro chao… nao conseguiu… incompetencia dele ou competencia do Lyoto?????
Continua treinando ai Lyoto… relaxa e volta com a mesma sede q te fez campeao. Nao relaxa.
Agora eh hora de treinar dobrado… a fila soh aumenta. Tah todo mundo de olho nesse cinturao…. Treina chao… treina muito chao… pq ele vai tentar desesperadamente te levar pro chao.
Treina mais cardio… o maximo possivel. A sequencia de socos do 3rd round foi curta… talvez pq vc cansou. vc tem q ser capaz de aguentar 12 rounds pra lutar 5….
Abracos
October 28th, 2009 at 8:27 am
If the fans had watched the fight with no sound (no voice from the commentators, I think they would have agreed you won.) They made it seem like all the hits from Rua were incredible because he was a big underdog and they wanted to make this fight seem legitimate and not an easy one for you.
As it was, it was a great fight.
I thought the fight was close, but you won, Lyoto. Also, it’s always been the case since I’ve watched fighting (20 years – mostly boxing), the Champion keeps his belt in a tie. Certainly the fight was very close. Only a fool would say it was obviously Rua.
The comment that made me the most mad was the one saying you should have given your belt to Rua and you don’t have honor. STUPID!!
You are a great role model! You are the most honorable person I can think of. Honor, class, humility. Keep your head high! The Dragon is the Champion!
October 28th, 2009 at 9:20 am
Lyoto,
I am sure you know you lost the fight. Do the honourable thing and give up the belt until the rematch.
You were one of my favourite fighters, Not anymore. In accepting that terrible decision, you showed you have no honour.
October 28th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Lyoto Machida won! Shut up now. He will beat Shogun again in the rematch. I’m glad Anderson Silva is on Machidas side. The 2 best period. They own it.
October 28th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Listen, I’ve watched that fight three times. It’s been said that Machida did the edging…but in a bout so close, after many of my observations…the edging was done by Shogun. I’m no expert (otherwise I’d be ringside) but there was something definitely screwy about this decision. My opinion, the judges were too afraid to make a decision other than the one they made. Maybe they didn’t want to face an angry Dana/Champion(Machida) and they chose to burn Rua because there is not much consequence behind it. Or it could be that it’s just like the empires in baseball…they get so comfortable with the fact that Joe Mauer can hit a ball 45% of the time; that they call balls when Joe looks at a pitch 90% of the time. They do the same thing with Jeter. So as far as I’m concerned…these fights need to be judged on a different more complicated basis. Say…4-6 Judges, that judge similar to a wrestling match. 2 points for a takedown…4 points for a knockdown ect, back time, ring control, strikes, and then at the end of the fight they tally the points and the one with the most points wins. I think that it needs to be more factual and less opinionated. I’m not saying there needs to be cameras, calling every strike officially; i’m just saying that there needs to be a point system that actually has a difinitive number. Maybe there is something of the sort in place already and I’m just blabbering. Either way, I loved the fight. Good job to both gentleman.
P.S. This is for Machida: Don’t say you were off your game. You were off your game because Shogun was on his. That’s a fact and you admitted your stradegy didn’t work. You had a bad day because Shogun was better than you (that day, and possibliy everyday) and should of won. So spare us your excuses. Losers make excuses Dana…not winners. There is a reason why Machida is saying he was off his game…BECAUSE HE EVEN BELIEVES HE LOST! Just as there is a reason why Shogun believes he won…LOSERS DON’T BELIEVE THEY’VE WON! Losers usually say, “He was a better fighter today.” A real warrior, a real champion, would have surrendered his belt to the real winner. That’s why I went into the fight a dragon fan and I left the fight a Shogun fan.
October 28th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Ouça, eu vi que lutam por três vezes. Tem sido dito que o Machida fez a orla … mas em um ataque tão perto, depois de muitas de minhas observações … a orla foi feito pelo Shogun. Eu sou nenhum perito (caso contrário eu estaria ringue), mas havia algo definitivamente screwy sobre esta decisão. Minha opinião, os juízes tinham medo de tomar uma decisão diferente do que fizeram. Talvez eles não querem enfrentar um Dana irritado / Champion (Machida) e eles escolheram para queimar Rua porque não há consequência muito atrás dele. Ou pode ser que é como os impérios no beisebol … eles ficam tão à vontade com o facto de Joe Mauer pode bater uma bola 45% do tempo, que eles chamam de bolas quando Joe olha para um campo de 90% do tempo . Eles fazem a mesma coisa com Jeter. Assim, tanto quanto eu estou preocupado … estas lutas precisam ser julgados em uma base diferente mais complicado. Say … 4-6 juízes, que julgam semelhante a um combate de wrestling. 2 pontos para uma queda … 4 pontos para um knockdown ECT, voltar no tempo, controle de anel, greves, e depois no final da luta que os pontos de concordância e um com o maior número de pontos ganha. Eu acho que ele precisa ser mais factuais e menos opinativos. Não estou dizendo que é preciso haver câmeras, chamando cada greve oficialmente, estou apenas dizendo que é preciso haver um sistema de pontos que realmente tem um número difinitive. Talvez haja algo do tipo no lugar já e eu sou apenas verborragia. De qualquer forma, adorei a luta. Bom trabalho aos dois cavalheiros.
P.S. Isto é para Machida: Não diga que você estava fora de seu jogo. Você estava fora de seu jogo, porque estava em sua Shogun. Isso é um fato e admitiu que sua estratégia não funcionou. Você teve um dia ruim, porque Shogun foi melhor do que você (aquele dia e possibliy todos os dias) e deve de ganho. Assim, nos poupem suas desculpas. Os perdedores fazem desculpas Dana … não vencedores. Há uma razão pela qual Machida está dizendo que ele estava fora de seu jogo … porque ele nem acredita LOST HE! Assim como há uma razão pela qual Shogun acredita que ele ganhou … LOSERS não acredito que eles ganharam! Perdedores costumam dizer: “Ele era um lutador melhor hoje.” Um verdadeiro guerreiro, um verdadeiro campeão, teria rendido o cinto para o verdadeiro vencedor. É por isso que eu entrei na luta fã do dragão e eu deixei a luta fã Shogun.
October 28th, 2009 at 11:00 am
CONGRADULATIONS LYOTO,GREAT FIGHT FOR YOU BOTH,AND I CANT WAIT TO SEE THE REMATCH!
October 28th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Simply put Machida – the best thing you can do to regain the respect of MMA fans is to forfeit the title; everybody in the MMA world knows you got beat – and it’s a damn shame that Shogun isn’t wearing what rightfully belongs to him.
October 28th, 2009 at 11:19 am
YOUR A LOSER
October 28th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Forfeit the belt – and to all your die hard fans who try to claim the decision in this fight was right – go smoke some more dope morons – this decision was twice as bad as the Bisping decision over Hamill – and that one was bad enough in and of itself. GET REAL PEOPLE – LYOTO’S A PHONY CHAMP.
October 28th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Hey, it’s not your fault the judges called it wrong – but prove to all of us your not as dumb as the judges that night. I agree with the other posts – FORFEIT
October 28th, 2009 at 11:24 am
You won the fight. That is the most a fighter can do. Good job.
October 28th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Great Analysis:
http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=4599758
Maybe they got it right. Maybe not.
Since scoring the UFC light heavyweight title fight Saturday night in favor of defending champion Lyoto Machida over Mauricio Rua, judges Nelson “Doc” Hamilton, Marcos Rosales and Cecil Peoples have been roundly criticized.
Their knowledge of mixed martial arts and their integrity have come under scrutiny. This is unfortunate. It’s one thing to disagree with the officiating crew’s scores, another to question their professionalism.
Hamilton, Rosales and Peoples are among the most experienced judges in mixed martial arts. Toss in referee Herb Dean, and the California State Athletic Commission could not have put together a more qualified team to handle Machida-Rua at the Staples Center in Los Angeles.
Each judge has scored hundreds of MMA bouts, professional and amateur. They have met every requirement set forth by this country’s most influential athletic commissions, and each attends judging seminars regularly. Hamilton, Rosales and Peoples are more than qualified to score fights.
On Saturday night, they had a very difficult one to score. Machida-Rua was a strategic, carefully contested bout. Several rounds could have gone either way.
When the fight was over, all three judges scored it 48-47 for Machida (ESPN.com had Rua winning 48-47). The judges, however, weren’t totally in sync. They didn’t agree on how the champ won.
Peoples and Rosales gave the first three rounds to Machida. However, Hamilton had the champ taking the middle rounds. Round 5 was the only one in which all three judges favored Rua.
While most observers disagreed with the judges’ scorecards, they also didn’t see eye-to-eye on which rounds to give Rua.
“I noticed that a lot of people on the Internet gave the first, second and third rounds to Machida,” Nevada State Athletic Commission Executive Director Keith Kizer told ESPN.com. “Almost everybody gave the fourth and fifth rounds to Rua.
“There were also a lot of people who gave the first, second and third rounds to Rua. You could have went 50-45 for Rua or 48-47 for Machida and not have been wrong.
“Some fans are under the impression that if two judges scored it the same, then the third judge must be wrong. Not necessarily. It depends on the angles from which the judges saw the fight.”
Where a judge is seated at a particular time during the action must be taken into account. Judges have the best seats in the house, but they don’t always have a clear line of vision.
Depending on your perspective — literally and figuratively — either Lyoto Machida or Mauricio Rua could have won Saturday’s fight.
“I’m not going to say every judge’s score is perfect,” Kizer said. “That is definitely not the case.
“Judges can make mistakes or overemphasize a particular aspect of a round compared to other rounds, but it is so important where you sit — not just the different sides of the Octagon, but are you watching it on TV? Are you six rows back from the cage? Are you in the best seat in the house, the judge’s chair?
“Sometimes a judge’s chair might be on the opposite side of the Octagon and members of press row will have a better view of the action.”
In this fight, Hamilton is the judge who saw things a little different from his colleagues. Hamilton scored the first and fifth rounds for Rua.
Scoring the rounds differently doesn’t mean Hamilton got it wrong. He simply viewed the fight from another vantage point.
One thing Hamilton and the other judges who scored Machida-Rua can’t be accused of is not paying attention. These highly skilled judges never take their eyes off the action, and they let nothing outside the cage distract them.
They possess something else most fans do not: a thorough knowledge of the Unified Rules of Mixed Martial Arts. Peoples, Rosales and Hamilton know the rules inside-out.
“I’m not talking about this specific fight, I’m talking in generality: The judge doesn’t care what the crowd is saying, he or she isn’t listening to what the commentator is saying,” New Jersey State Athletic Control Board attorney Nick Lembo told ESPN.com. “You have three judges sitting there who are totally ignoring the crowd, not listening to the broadcast, not having a beer. How many of these fans were drinking a beer, sitting there with friends looking at other things?
“The judges are trained to zone in, block everything out and just score that 5-minute round. That makes a difference sometimes.
“If you look under the rules — and I don’t think a lot of people have read the Unified Rules of Mixed Martial Arts — it gives you a pretty good guide for how to score a fight.”
There is no evidence to suggest that the judges who scored Machida-Rua did not focus on or ignored the Unified Rules. By all accounts, they did their job.
Franklin McNeil is an analyst on ESPN.com’s “MMA Live.”
October 28th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Machida, thanks for the great show at UFC 104!
After re-watching the match multiple times, it started to become transparent why the match was scored in your favor. The problem is that a lot of fans are not used to watching such technical bouts that you and Rua presented us with.
Regardless, it was a great fight and I’m looking forward to the rematch.
October 28th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Lyoto won the fight and next time when rua commits to kick he will get knocked out. The crowd not liking him means nothing. Go Lyoto ! Go Karate!
October 28th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
The idea that he should forfeit the match is ridiculous Lyoto won. All the people questioning the win need to understand the scoring system that mma uses. Go back and watch the fight and you will see. I admit that in the heat of the moment of highly anticipated fights it is easy to not see the technicalities in a fight. Watch the fight a few more times and it will become clear. Rua did not do enough to take the belt, and ALL 3 judges saw it that way. Lyoto is undefeated!
October 28th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Machida is the true champion, but It’s obvious that Rua was fan favorite going into this fight so it is natural to be upset when your favorite looses a close decision. I watched the fight a 2nd and 3rd time and I must agree with the judges decision the Machida won well fought but very close fight. Heres my take: from watching it again twice there were only two rounds where there was a clear winner 3 for Machida and 5 for Rua, the others were very close (too close). It also felt there was some bias for Rua by the commentators Rogen and Goldberg. Watch rnd 3 when Machida unloades on Rua backing him up against the fence all Rogen could point out the Rua got in 1 right that did nothing, despite the 5 or 6 puches Machida landed and the 3 or 4 he dodged. I give it to Rua that he delivered alot of good body and leg kicks and if the decision were based upon who looks more beat up and the end of the fight he would have won without question. But maybee it’s fair to say Machida shows battle wounds more easily because his body is not used to taking so many shots like that. Machida landed some good body kick and some knees which may have been just as hard as Rua’s but Rua just took them better (Rua’s rib cage was a little red also). Rua may have bruised Machida and scratched his lip but he did not do enough in the judges minds to win a title fight that close. Here are the reasons 1- on his few attemts to take Machida down he was unsuccessful. 2- If you watch the fight again you’ll see that Rua was not the aggressor the entire fight like many see it (even myself at first) they were both equally aggressive. 3- the only thing he brought were leg and body kicks and almost every hard body kick by Rua was countered with a puch or kick from Machida. and 4- Rua never hurt Machida or put him in serious danger. unlike Machidas attack in rnd 3. (that may have been the exchange that won the fight). You cant be the contender in a title fight and expect to win such a close dicision. You have to finish the fight with authority by KO or submission or dominate in such a wat that there is no question in the judges mind that you are the true champ and Rua simply did not do that. If anyone is to blame it is himself for listening to his coaches for telling him he was winning the fight. What a buch of crap. You never tell your fighter he’s winning such a close fight. Rua should fire his corner. That is why he lost the fight he was holding back and being too careful. He made some errors in judgement. If the fight were to go more rounds Rua clearly had more in his tank to spare. He should have let it all hang out. I don’t think he’ll make the same mistake in Machida vs. Rua 2. Frankly I’m disappointed in him and all the other Rua fans that feel he was robbed and cheated. I think they are being poor lossers by blaming the ufc and the judges of calling a close fight like they should have. If the decision were split I could understant the dissapointment a little more but the decision wa unanimous we all need to get over it and move on to the rematch.
October 28th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
I saw the fight once, I knew in my heart that Lyoto Machida is going to with this fight, I truly believe in him even just from watching him fight. Machida is a truly legend fighter.
While watching the fight before the end I knew Machida won the 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounds.
Shogun did well against Machida with his legs to the legs and ribs.
But Machida landed those hard punches almost close to knockout shogun and Machida’s hard knees is so close to knockout shogun.
Well, congratulation on the fight Lyoto Machida.
At the end when I saw and hearing fans boing you, my heart drop down and saying to myself why are the fans boing My Lyoto Machida.
Machida 3 vs Shogun 2
3 > 2
No matter what Lyoto Machida always be a truly fighter to me.
Thanks!!
October 28th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Lyoto,
You are the Champ. Don’t let the sour Rua fans lead you to any doubt about your victory. You won by unanimous decision. You were the better fighter. Here is an explanation from Judge and Referee Cecil Peoples.
The main-event of UFC 104 saw Lyoto Machida defend his Light heavyweight title by winning a unanimous decision over Shogun Rua but not without controversy as many spectators felt the scorecards reflected poorly upon the fight. Long time MMA judge and referee, Cecil Peoples provided us with his reasoning behind his issued score of 48-47 in favour of the champion, Lyoto Machida.
“First of all what you need to understand is that from where the judges are sitting, we get to see things that the fans at home may miss. Mauricio Rua was being aggressive but it wasn’t effective aggressiveness which is what we as the judges look for when scoring a fight. The way I saw it, Lyoto was landing the more cleaner and damaging strikes throughout the fight – if you take a look at the judging criteria clean strikes are valued more-so than the quantity of strikes landed. Although Rua threw a lot of low kicks they were not as damaging as Lyoto’s diverse attack in the earlier rounds which is why I scored the first three rounds for Machida. You have to keep in mind we always the favour the fighter who is trying to finish the fight, and leg kicks certainly don’t do that.”
“When both fighters are engaged in a striking match what I always look for is the fighter who is being judicious, picking his spots, being accurate and landing the cleaner strikes which ultimately is what Lyoto did more effectively than Rua. Lyoto made Shogun come after him, he determined where the fight took place which in my opinion constitutes as effective Octagon control. I recognize the fact that Rua did have a few takedown attempts during the course of the fight however Lyoto defended them all successfully which counts as effective grappling in his favour, where as ununsuccessful takedown attempts are not scored at all. Therefore going by that criteria, I believe Lyoto won the fight clearly. I’m just glad the other judges on the panel saw it the same way and I’m sure the fans who understand the technicalities of the sport agree with the decision too.”
October 28th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Watched the fight Live…thought Rua may have taken the belt…I was trippin.Watched the fight again with no sound and had a different feeling.Rounds 1,2,and 3 were all Machida..in every aspect…he really picked his shots and had excellent defence.round 4 Machida was getting aliitle tired and didnt do much so that has to go to Rua..he really didnt do much but Machida did nothing…round 5 was boring but if it went to anyone it would go to Rua but not by any convicing manner.Rua fought a great fight but not enough TAKE the belt.Watch it again..no sound and then make a comment.We have never seen anyone push Machida like that and was such a favorite that when he actually got hit it made Rua look so good.I agree it was a close fight but the man with the belt deserves it.Just to watch these masters go at it was awesome…I’m excited to see a rematch..these guys are the best of the best.
October 28th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
yea Lyoto Machida won fair and square!!!!
shogun fans shows no respect to Lyoto Machida booing him.
not matter what happen I will always back Machida up even though just by typing in here.
Thank You very much to all the royal Lyoto Machida fans, you know who you are.
Thank You!!
October 28th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Parabens Machida pela luta. Os 4 primeiros rounds foram seus com certeza. Fantástico mawashigeri jodan no quarto round. Grande precisão nos deais de gyaku durante a luta. Continue defendendo bravamente o karate shotokan. Nós karatecas de Minas Gerais ficamos felizes. Valeu.
oss!!!
October 28th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
big IF but if Tito’s back surgery went as well as he says. He would give Machida a good test. cause honestly I have given Tito a good chance in thier lastfight. But after watching Machida dominate him I reconsidered. But if he can be caught in a triangle once. he can be caught again. Though it doesnt deter me from cheering one of my fav fighters. WAR Machida.
October 28th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
On watching the fight several times, very carefully, its very clear that the judges did an exemplary job of scoring the fight. I too had Machida as a clear round winner in all of the first three rounds. His striking was far more efficient and accurate, and his octagon control was demonstratedf by his ability to prevent Shogun from ever getting him to the ground. In all three round, superior striking plus superior grappling = won rounds. Sorry Shogun fans but that’s the truth.
October 28th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Olá Lyoto, venho acompanhando sua carreira a um tempo. Seu estilo de vida e de lutar é o que procurava num lutador para me motivar e esperar pra assistir…
Uma coisa lyoto, não sei se era o que tava rolando contigo, mas vc estava mto com cabeça baixa, e olhar q não via nas outras lutas… eu sei q não é o adversário… penso que se fosse qualquer outro ia ser igual, acho q o cinturao pesou um pouco… defende-lo não é igual do que busca-lo… pelo menos o q acho.
Proxima luta, levante a cabeça, e como vc diz… MENTE VAZIA RAPAZ… vc luta MTO, vc é foda…
E não demonstre cansaço NUNCA.
Sobre a luta… achei q o shogun explorou mto sua coxa e sua costela… sempre batia no mesmo canto… isso foi te cansando… nao sei de vc, mas acho q vc nao esperava q ele lutaria assim… só com low kicks..
Estude-o… eu sei que vai achar um caminho para a vitoria mais tranquila.
E para mim, vendo de um modo geral, shogun lutou melhor que você. Mas você ganhou COM CERTEZA os 3 primeiros rounds.
Acho q vc tem q treinar seu fisico também…
mas é isso Lyoto.
Abraço mano!
TREINAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
October 28th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Lyoto, vc sabe que os seus fans adora o seu estilo de luta porém assistir pausadamente a luta e como todos ja disseram vc ganhou os 3 rounds sem dúvida nenhuma por outro lado concordo que sua estratégia em defender pela primeira vez foi dificil e não será última, no entanto tenho certeza que nos PARAENSES (Belém-PA) estará de olho na TV, torcendo como loucos. Por tanto, deixo minhas palavras e vá treinando firme cada vez para nos dá orgulho e alegrias.
Um forte abração.
October 28th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Rewatch the video twice with no audio. The Commentator want the viewer to think what they think. I thought Shogun won, but after watching the video again with no audio Machida won the fight.
Round 1,2,3 Machida(Big Knee, body kick, head shot, take down defense)
Round 4,5 Shogun (Lots of leg kick)
Don’t listen to what these people say, they only take the media word for it. You truely won the fight.
October 29th, 2009 at 12:15 am
Lyoto, eres el mejor. Los idiotas que dicen que no ganaste no saben nada de lo que inculca ser un juez d amm. Gracias a Dios q no son jueze. El no te derroto simplemente te pateo en las piernas mientras que tu verdaderamente te ganaste el titulo. Eres el mejor y se que si peleas de nuevo vas a derrotarlo. ERES EL MEJORR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-joel
October 29th, 2009 at 5:51 am
Dear Lyoto,
while you are not my favortive fighter and infact i wanted shogun to win, i whole heartly believe that you won the fight 3 rounds to 2. Dont listen to what any of these negative peaseants are saying we all know you would kick our asses yet they still are cowards. Good Luck in your rematch and keep the fire alive.
October 29th, 2009 at 5:55 am
Watch the fight,I have four times.lyoto won the first three rounds.Round four is very close.Round five was won by shogun.So lets be nice and give shogun round four.That is still three rounds to Lyoto and two rounds to shogun.Lyoto was never in any danger, he was never taken down or knocked down.While at least three times in the fight Lyoto had shogun hurt.Leg kicks are affective but not intended to finish fights.I respect the three judges decisions since they are professionals.Joe Rogin and Mike goldberg do not score fights,thank God!
October 29th, 2009 at 6:12 am
Lyoto Machida=The undefeated Champion of the World!I talked to Bruce Lee last night in my dreams.He told me to tell you that he thinks you won, and not to worry about critics.Be like water Lyoto like water.Keep up the great work Lyoto,you are the best.
October 29th, 2009 at 7:46 am
I Would like to say congrats Machida. I have rewatched the fight 3 times and like everyone I have my opinion. Everyone needs to take into account that Joe Rogan was feeding on the fact that someone was hitting you and was giving no credit to your counter punching. Each and everytime you both were hitting one another Rogan only announced For Shogon. Get back in the Gym get healthy work the defense against those kicks and take the fight to him. GOOD LUCK
October 29th, 2009 at 9:48 am
I’ve watched the fight three times now and I disagree with Dana White on only one round and I think that is what the three judges agreed with me on as well. Dana thought Shogun won the first, fourth and fifth rounds. I thought that Machida won the first, second and third rounds. With the ten point must system, Machida won the fight based on the first three. The fourth and fifth rounds were won by Shogun. Because he finished stronger, I think that adds to the perception of him winning, but that is not how the fight is scored.
I also think expectations played a role in the perception. This was clearly the hardest fight of Machida’s career. I’ve seen every one of his fights and this was the closest one. I also think this was only the second time he lost a round in a fight. I believe he lost a round in the B.J. Penn fight, but that was in Japan where they scored the fight as a whole instead of by individual rounds. Machida got kicked and punched in this fight which is something that we haven’t seen in the UFC to date. Because he was perceived as untouchable, when he did get hit, I think more credit was given to Shogun than was warranted.
Finally, I think all of this was played out in the commentary by Rogan and Goldberg which influenced most people watching at home. In most exchanges, Machida would hit the head and Shogun would counter with a leg kick. I just don’t give as much credit to leg kicks then I do a punch. Leg kicks are the lowest form of a strike unless you can finish a guy a la Gokhan Saki.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Another great Analysis:
http://www.ifight365.com/2009/10/ufc-should-rua-really-have-beaten-machida-at-ufc-104/
UFC – Should Rua really have beaten Machida at UFC 104?
THURSDAY OCTOBER 29, 2009 BY IFIGHT365.COM
by Tim Furious, BetUS.com – BET NOW
UFC Analysis – You Think Rua Should Have Won? Whoa there, buddy…
Overwhelming public opinion and computer evidence suggests that Mauricio Rua won the title fight at UFC 104 against Machida by a landslide, but the three judges alongside the octagon voted unanimously in favor of Machida. The other three people who thought that Machida won the fight? Little know Josh Thomson, Anderson Silva…and Machida himself. The fourth? Me. And the fifth will be you because of this article.
Sure there’s a prevailing thought that Machida won the first three rounds, and that the fair majority of Rua’s blows weren’t threatening at all. In defense of Machida, Rua didn’t effectively put the champ in danger for the final two rounds and failed to score any form of knockout. Is that enough to strip Machida of the belt?
Everyone on the planet seems to think so.
Dana White, president of the UFC, even came out of the wood work to say that Rua deserved to win the fight. In a video that has made the rounds on the information super highway, White was filmed saying, “I thought Shogun won.” His sentiments were shared by nearly every MMA blog and major news outlet including Sports Illustrated, Sherdog and a preliminary headline posted on ESPN. On top of that, Rua’s backers included UFC fighters like Shane Carwin, Kenny Florian, Roy Nelson, Cain Velasquez, Rampage Jackson, BJ Penn and Frank Shamrock.
The Machida Hate Train didn’t stop there either. A bunch of nerds got their computers involved and submitted some pretty lopsided testimony in favor of the challenger. The numbers calculated that Rua outlanded Machida 89-50 and outperformed him by nearly 30% output. I’m not going to get in to the details, especially when nerds are weighing in on a fist fight, but it was clear that Rua should have outscored Machida. Don’t pencil pushers have any room in their stupid calculations for real facts?
Look out, pencil necks, because I’m rolling up my sleeves.
To beat the champ, you’ve got to really beat him down. Machida was injured like we’ve never seen, and will take approximately two months to heal from his injuries, but it wasn’t enough to put Machida away. And isn’t that the sign of how much a challenger deserves to win? This isn’t figure skating for pete’s sake. This is the Ultimate Fighting Championship.
A history of the Light Heavyweight Championship shows just how reluctant the judges are to change the title over via decision, and that may alleviate some of the angst hanging out there. The title has actually changed hands just once when the decision was given to the judges (Griffin def. Jackson at UFC 86). The only other time a title fight in the Light Heavyweight Division changed hands by decision was…wait for it…NEVER. Tito Ortiz claimed a vacant title by decision, and lost a decision to Couture that unified the titles.
A champion loses his title in this division by getting the crap kicked out of him, and while Machida was bleeding, battered and bruised, he was still standing and able to defend himself. If you compare this fight to the unanimous decision that stripped Rampage Jackson of his title, then it’s not even close. Griffin had Jackson on the ropes, fighting for his life, the entire fight. Did Rua? Not really.
Rua’s fans can cry to the hills like dirt babies if they want to. They can throw numbers and stats at this fight like the nerds I used to beat up in high school. But the judges at ringside saw exactly what tilted the fight in Machida’s favor – Shogun let up in the final round. Hell, Rua even admitted it, stating that he didn’t try to close the fight because he thought he was ahead on the scorecards.
Ahead on the scorecards?! Are you freaking kidding me? If you’re going to be a champion, you knock the champ out. Rua thought he could take the title by points and excuse me if that’s not the champion that I want holding the belt proudly. The champion I want is the one who immediately offered a rematch to the guy who nearly took him to the cleaners. Thankfully, that’s the fighter who’s still holding the Light Heavyweight Championship.
October 29th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
shogan has slain the dragon
October 29th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
It was a close fight… technically as far as points scored Shogun won this fight. However as you all know you have to beat the Champion decidedly! That did not happen therefore Machida should remain the Champion! I also think that Rogan & Goldberg… mainly Goldberg, made it seem like Shogun was really beating Machida! He did not account for many strikes that Machida landed! He just focused on Shogun’s leg kicks! I watched the fight several times and it was closer than most people think from just watching it once! Having said that… I can’t wait for the re match & I have a feeling the Dragon will be Breathing Fire the next time!!
October 30th, 2009 at 6:23 am
Fala Lyoto, grande campeão! Tb sou Karateca Shotokan e estou admirado com o q vc vem fazendo desde 2003 no MMA. Por eu tb ser karateca talvez possam pensar que na minha análise da luta estarei sendo parcial. Mas não, não mesmo! Vi sua luta com o Shogun mais de três vezes, analisei e reanalisei, justamente para afastar qualquer parcialidade. Vc venceu claramente os três primeiros rounds, foi mais eficiente, variou mais os golpes. Os outros dois foram do Shogun, mas não foram suficentes para dar a ele a vitória. Os que dizem que vc foi “massacrado” estão loucos, exagerando e se enganando, não entendem nada de luta; talvez o digam pelos ferimentos que vc teve no rosto o que no contexto da luta não quer dizer nada! Esquecem-se que vc está invicto no MMA e que até então ninguém conseguiu sequer encostar em vc, a não ser o Shogun (e não foi suficiente).
Gde abraço, continue assim!
OSS!
October 30th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Is this a Machida hate page or something?? Machida did not score the fight and he did not ask for the win the fight and it was very close Showgun did great job . I come to this page because im a Machida fan.. Who ever wrote the article at top is not a Machida fan .Sounds like you need to make one for Showgun . I ever one is going to complain and you are complain about the judges and system they go by not Machida ..
October 30th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Primeiro parabenizo a imparcialidade do site que publicou todos os tipos de comentários….
Olhando a luta com calma mantenho minha opiniao no momento em que vi a luta. Daria 3×2 Lyto (com vitórias nos 3 primeiros rounds). Não podemos jamais afirmar que a luta foi roubada. Você esqueceram que a decisão foi unânime? Ninguém massacrou ninguém. A luta foi muito dura. Respeitem Lyoto pela sua história. Ele não foi campeão a toa. Será que ele merece ser crucifado e condenado por apenas 1 luta? Tenhamos calma, Dan White fará a revanche em breve.
MENTE FAZIA sempre Lyoto.
Prepara-se e estude mais o adversário no próximo encontro.
October 30th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
The dragon is still the Champion.
Please respect his history.
October 30th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
THE DRAGON WON, BOTTOM LINE!! I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A REMATCH BETWEEN MY FAVORITE FIGHTER AND MY FAVORITE CHALLENGER!!
October 30th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
The dragon is the champion fuck all the haters saying Shogun has “slain the Dragon” I want to see any of you haters fight for 25 minutes, Shogun lucky Lyoto didn’t knock his eye out of his head or eat adrenal gland like the samurai he is Lyoto number 1 anyone who wants to get dropped step to the Dragon
October 31st, 2009 at 8:58 am
Bum,
You and all your friends are delusional. Your brain is damaged beyond repair if you think you are deserving. From champ to chump in one night.
October 31st, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Lyoto ganhou mais foi por muito pouco eu digo mais por causa do corner do Shogum do q pra ele mesmo. O Shogum perdeu pq achava q o titulo de melhor do mundo ja era dele e nao arriscou tudo nos ultimos rounds. So q ele perdeu uma chance de ouro por isso o Chora Chora dele e dos seus fans !O shogum é bem mais agressivo q o Lyoto e nao derrubou ele ja com a perna fraca . Lyoto mereceu, mais nao pode contar com a Sorte de Campiao mais c nao vai ser derrotado no Remach q vai ter.Eu quero ver o Chorao do Shogum na Lona Babando e rir desse muleke Perdeu Perdeu chega de Chorar! Vai pra outra agora cuidado q o Pai do Machida ta puxando a Orelha dele até agora pq ele ganhou, mais nao como ele e seus fans queriam por isso q no final deu a parecer q foi roubado. Lyoto ta com 1 probleminha so nao ta terminando as sequencias quando entra uma é lona pra Shogunsinho.
October 31st, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Acredito que o proprio lyoto deve saber q nao foi o vencedor desse combate,esse combate nao deixou dúvidas quanto a superioridade do Shogum, a decisão seria dificilima se a questao fosse beleza, daria um belo empate pois sao dois gatos.
October 31st, 2009 at 4:57 pm
This isn’t your best fight, i don’t think you have won…but i don’t think you have loose… i hope the next fight will be better! please be more aggressive!
October 31st, 2009 at 5:06 pm
MACHIDA WON THE FIGHT! even if shogun had a good strategy! anyway 2 great champions!
October 31st, 2009 at 11:15 pm
If every one of these Machida HATERS would shut up and watch the fight objectively without their “Rua” colored glasses on and their childish mob mentality emotions, they might discover something…Machida won the fight!!! Turn down the audio of Mike Goldberg jumping up and down in his cheerleaders outfit and pom poms acting as the judge and scoreboard for Rua, and watch the fight obectively. Machida won the first three rounds. The 4th was very close, maybe a draw. Rua won the fifth, but it was still close..
Most of these haters are jumping on the bandwagon because now that they see Machida get hit in a close fight, they assume he lost. Everyone is so used to seeing him dominate and escape damage, that when he is in a close fight with a true talent like Rua who is back in original form, it is automatically assumed he lost. Bullshit!!
And to the jackass that calls Machida a paper tiger??
Who has knocked him out?? Who has knocked him down??
Did Rua??? Has anyone?? You buffoon!! He stuffed every takedown, even when he slipped and fell Rua couldn’take him down. He lasted all five rounds and even when he “supposedly” slowed in the 5th round, he made Rua eat a knee in the gut and face which was more damaging than any of Rua’s kicks. Watch the fight again objectively, all you mob mentality haters..
Dana White has to agree with the majority of angry fans because of $$$$. If he disagreed with the mob, they would all say the fight is fixed. It’s not the judges and the UFC that is shameful, it is all the hate and disrespect that is spewed at the fighters by such neanderthal haters who call themselves MMA fans.
This fight was a great fight with the two best tacticians in the 205 pound weight class. They were both respectful to each other, didn’t talk trash, and each guy only said ” I hope I win “..Rua had class with the decision, and if it were the other way around, Machida would have too. I wish American MMA fans had as much class as the Japanese fans. They understand the sport and show more respect and understanding to the fighters and dignity.
November 1st, 2009 at 12:05 am
Listen guys, I have just finished watching the fight again for the tenth time (with the sound off)… Without A DOUBT machida has rounds 2 and 3. Rounds 1 and 4 could go either way. With round 5 going to Rua. However, even though Rua was the agresser in round 5, Machida’s counter striking was still superior.
Look, Rua TRIED to LOOK, yes thats right, he tried to LOOK like the winner in the end with all of his body language.. MAYBE if he tried harder to finish the fight instead of looking like he won he would have.. Rua DID NOT win that fight.
We are just not used to seeing Machida have a tough fight. Watch it again. You will see…
Also, after watching it so many times i noticed that Machida made Rua look clumsy. Machida is clearly the superior fighter with superior form and technique. This translates into more effective strikes which was obvious in the number of times Shogun was knocked back against the cage and nearly off his feet. EVERY time Rua landed a good hit to Machida, Machida seemed unfazed by it. Hence flawed technique.. In a rematch Shogun will be more agressive and it could cost him his consciousness.
Regardless, the fight was still an EXCELLENT technical battle. The best Karate fighter in the world vs the best Muy Thai fighter in the world.. Royce would be proud.. I believe the UFC has finally come full circle. Style vs style.
Lets give respect to these great fighters and to the hard fought technical battle they fought..
November 1st, 2009 at 12:59 am
Great win MACHIDA your the best
November 1st, 2009 at 1:20 am
It is absolutely disgusting the way people act on this site. The issue is not whether or not he won the fight, the issue is, this fighter, ALL fighters put their health on the line, and get the shit kicked out of them for your entertainment. The least you could do is show a little respect to them for fighting at the top of their abilities. You know it has nothing to do with the belt. Your whiny asses are just upset because a guy who had 15 straight victories, had one fight that wasn’t as good as the others. Machida is a good fighter. MMA is entertaining just shut up and watch it and enjoy it.
November 1st, 2009 at 4:05 am
Sou seu fã!
Mas acho que você está muito preocupado em só usar o Karatê e está esquecendo dos outros fundamentos do MMA!!!!!
Vá treinar com o Anderson, Minotauro, Minotouro e o Cigano assim como está fazendo o Demian Maia!!!!
Vocé só terá a ganhar se fizer isso!!!!!
Força Campeão!!!!!!
November 1st, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Lyoto, you won the fight! Don’t let these other dummies tell you otherwise. I will always be your fan, win, lose or draw. I also noticed that you were not the same. You kept asking your corner for something or get something before the fight. Next rematch make sure you knock out Rua, so you can shut these idiots up!
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:50 am
My view on this is mixed. Watching a stream on-line (Oh noez) I watched the whole fight. Rua, made Machida look how he made Evans look. Like an ammature. The rumor of “Machida” Being this invinceable force, who cannot be touched, and lands 65% successfull strikes was not the one in that Cage. Nor was Rua, and aggressive bull who just blows throuugh his opponents.
Close fight. I want to see a rematch.
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:46 am
machida if u were a real man you would give the belt to the real champion your face said it all even you didnt think you won the fight you said you could have knocked him out 3 times why didnt you then your full of it stop making excuses you have no knockout power look how many times you had to hit evans before you knocked him out you only have to see your stats to see your not a knockout fighter i just hope in the rematch we see shogun fight his fight an do what he does best knock people out rather than do what you do an always be on the defence an wait for fighter to make mistakes yeh u may win but its boring to watch you say the reason you looked the way you did before you were announced the winner was because of pain shogun looked fine think about it
November 2nd, 2009 at 11:10 am
Ive been watching this match 6 times now and I agree with the judges.
Lyoto has more punches to the head and even if Rua has more leg kicks they dont knock him out, Lyoto was still moving around.
I hope to train with you someday Lyoto, OSU SENSEI!!
November 2nd, 2009 at 12:29 pm
For those who believe Rua won watch the fight again and count the strikes. The fans in the arena were at a disadvantage when watching. Lyoto won that fight.
November 2nd, 2009 at 1:54 pm
DEDICATED TO LYOTO MACHIDA!!!!
November 2nd, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Maybe Mauricio won the fight, but he didnt won the Title!
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:08 pm
why dont you learn from grandpa Miyagi…you karate boy …and kill that SHOGUN with samurai
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:30 am
i think rua won the fight but i guess it wasnt convincing enough for the judges maybe if rua knocked down machida it would have been scored differently as it is he wasnt able to so as champion machida retains the title. cant wait for the rematch !!
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:57 am
Lyoto, treine e faça uma revanche espetacular, essa luta foi horrível, mas vc pode ir bem na próxima
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:41 am
Poxa Lyoto, acho que você deveria dizer a todos que também achou injusta a sua vitória. Somente desta maneira você irá seguir nesse marketing de SAMURAI. Espero ver uma revanche o mais breve possível. Treine muito, pois acho que o Shogun vai te moer novamente
November 4th, 2009 at 9:28 am
O Machida é fera. Agora, quem usa esse marketing de SAMURAI é o “shogun”…que não aceitou a derrota.
Vai lá, Machida!!! Arrebenta com o shogun.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Não consigo enxergar um resultado diferente, LYOTO vc ganhou merecidamente, pro shogum e seu patético treinador dida sobrou o troféu chupeta, ate quando vão ficar chorando???????
Uma coisa qua ficou evidente na luta, a falta de condicionamento fisico nos 2 ultimos rounds, mas isso com certeza vc ja percebeu e para a revanche vem de tanque cheio.
tamojunto!!!!!!!
November 4th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
I was at this fight. I m a big machida fan but i could of swore shogun was gonna take the belt. im happy he didnt and its a reasonable decision considering the fact that shogun is not going to get the title throwing leg kicks. He TRIED taking machida down and failed terribly. Shogun was more agresssive but machida got it. BTW, THANK U DANA WHITE4THE FREE UFC104 TIX.
November 5th, 2009 at 12:02 am
Well I am yet to watch the fight. Seems to be a tough loss for Shogun, but will wait to post my fight opinion. What I will say, as an Aussie MMA fan is that Machida had a world of problems with Sam Greco in the K1 and I gave that fight to Sammy… We all need to realize that sometimes some styles appear to be more effective than what they are perhaps. At the end of the day, Lyoto won the fight and that is on the record. I wonder if he plays Tai Chi Chuan in addition to his Kung Fu???
Ssshhh! Wu Wei is in the house
November 11th, 2009 at 4:49 am
Fernando Miranda – Belém / PA
There is no doubt that the fight against Shogun Lyoto Machida Machida was far from that we all know. Shortly before the start of the fight he seemed to be worried about any other subject …
Even so, only to lay Machida did not win. The people want to see the show and spectacle that only happens when there is hard striking and unquestionable superiority of one of the fighters. None of this happened in the fight between Machida and Shogun. So the people booed at the end.
The judges made the technical evaluation, so the victory Machida is unquestionable.
We must recognize that the Shogun was very effective in low kicks because they bothered enough to Machida, but were ineffective because Machida has demonstrated excellent ability to assimilate and recovery, so much so that at any time of the fight, Shogun was able to continue the attack after a kick low and this influenced the judges’ decision in favor of Machida.
Everyone knows that Shogun is excellent in the fall, but all attempts failed to bring down Machida. Merit Machida once again gave a great demonstration of the attacks take advantage of their opponents. Of course, it also impressed the judges.
Moreover, the champion of the heavy powerful knees hit, punch in counter-attacks and showed, even far from their best, be worthy of the light heavyweight belt in the UFC.
As for Machida, and for Shogun and also to the UFC, a rematch will have to happen. I believe that a future fight between Machida and Shogun, the only question will lead to hospital after the Shogun fight.
November 24th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
There are so many assholes in here extremely and continually commenting that Shogun won and Lyoto lost the fight. Why don’t you all accept it that Shogun did lost the fight and Lyoto already defends his belt? Shogun already accepted it that he lost the fight, then why can’t you “useless critics” can’t accept it?
Maybe you should all just staple your mouth, sit on your ass, and wait for the rematch.
November 24th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Ur the man FrankenSensei!
November 24th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
MachidaSupporter, the only thing why the decision of the fight is being booed, its because of the viewers in the arena. We all know that american fans have no respect at all, they are not like japanese fans who are so professional in watching fights. I’m just backing up Royce Gracie if you know what I mean.
December 9th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
For some reason it seems like most of the people coming out to defend Lyoto are long time Karate practitioners. HMMN I wonder if many of them are being biased? I do not understand why you guys cite your 20+ years of Karate experience as a reason why we should accept your view of the fight. Do you mean to say that people who don’t practice Karate can’t appreciate his win somehow? In that case, it doesn’t seem like a very ’sturdy’ win, if you need to have a special point of view.
Personally, I think Machida should be disqualified for his ultra-defensive technique. Previously in the UFC ,the Judges looked very unfavorably on that, and many UFC decisions were swayed by the fact the one fighter actually tried to ‘press the action’.
This decision is not fair to all the past UFC fighters who have lost close decisions because they failed to ‘press the fight’ and be aggressive enough.
Its really not fair to not hold Machida to having to ‘press the action’ as well.
If other fighters employed that strategy, as many point out, THERE WOULD BE NO FIGHT!
Maybe we should change UFC to a format where one person is attacker and one person is defender?
People thought the decision was WRONG for THREE REASONS:
1. By all accounts, the points were very close to being tied;
2. RUA took the RISK and INITIATIVE to PRESS THE FIGHT, while Lyoto played it safe and DID NOT PRESS THE FIGHT.
3. RUA’s strikes were visibly damaging to Lyoto, especially the leg strikes – More visibly damaging to most people’s eyes than Machida’s defensive counterstrike.
Thats why the fans booed. Not because Americans have ‘no respect at all’. But hey, if you want to be ignorant and talk shit on my country, have at it. And if you want to completely disregard why those fans booed, and why 99.9% of the MMA community thinks this was a bogus decision, THATS YOUR PROBLEM.
Karateka delusion? It wouldn’t be the first time…
Remeber when Fred Ettish had the utmost faith in his style? (UFC1, UFC2?)
Brainwahed…
Lyoto is capitalizing on some basic concepts of self-defense and combat, such as the fact that attacking someone is not a natural thing to do, its not a safe thing to do, and it takes you away from your defenses and ability to react, move, counter etc.
As a lifelong martial artist I totally appreciate Lyoto’s defensive style as A VERY GREAT, VERY SMART FORM OF SELF DEFENSE. But it is not appropriate for CAGE FIGHTING, since the point of CAGE FIGHTING is so we can watch a human cock-fight.
It is SIMPLY NOT FAIR to the other fighter, who CHOOSES TO PUSH THE FIGHT AT HIS OWN RISK, ceding the DEFENSIVE ADVANTAGE to Lyoto.
I am hoping for Lyoto’s next opponent to stand back and fight only defensively – Let us see how well Lyoto does when he has to be the aggressor. My guess is that both parties would get booed for not fighting one another.
To clarify, I have the utmost respect for Machida and Machida Karate. But I think it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out why some people don’t think he deserves that win.
December 18th, 2009 at 7:41 am
I am not a karate practitioners and not being biased. I just saw a fight that I believe Machida won but the crowd didn’t expect to see this type of fight. Nobody expected Machida to get hit and they expected to see something brutal so thats why people are like “oh,. he should have lost”……. whatever. Good fight and a harder win than expected but the judges ruled. Nice post unbiased person, made me think!
December 22nd, 2009 at 9:13 am
assistir a luta varias vezes,e tirei uma conclusão lyoto ganhou os três primeiros raunds o quarto houve uma pequena vantagen para shogun e o quinto ele(shogun) venceu bem pois estava menos cansado no quinto.Como não houve nokaute a decisão foi por pontos e na somotoria de pontos lyoto ganhou.Shogun chutou muito mas esses golpes quase não tiveram efeito algun, shogun lutou bem ate causou um certo espanto em lyoto, shogun não mereceu tirar o cinturão. Foi muito equilibrado talvez até se houvesse im empate seria um resultado justo, mas a derrota do lyoto não.
January 2nd, 2010 at 12:22 pm
This is when the UFC needs the fans support the most. If you call yourself a real MMA fan then you support the sport through the good times and the bad times.
January 7th, 2010 at 10:14 pm
Machida kick his ass again !!
January 16th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
lyoto,eu falo é em portugues
macho tu ganhou essa luta mermao
os 3 primeiros rounds foram teus e os 2 ultimos dele(na minha opiniao)
agora macho,na revanche nocauteia ele pra galera parar de falar
January 17th, 2010 at 3:59 pm
to the unbiased person above, I am guessing you haven’t seen Lyoto’s fight against Rashad Evans, who knocked out Liddell the Iceman. Lyoto took it to Rashad Evans to get his belt in the second round knocked him out in other words do your research before you criticize Lyoto in not wanting to be aggressive. He just went in the fight with a gamplan and played it out. The fight was close if one was to watch it very close. My hat goes of to both fighters. Respect to both.
January 17th, 2010 at 8:57 pm
VC É O MELHOR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 17th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
I think we are all used to seeing Machida take no damage at all in all the fights we have seen him fight in, so when SHo Gun came out and landed shots and kicks on Machida we were all taken back that someone could actually touch him! I think Machida deserved the win regardless, he also landed his share of shots and kicks on Sho Gun as well. My opinoin at least a draw. It wasnt Machida’s decision it was the judges and I think we all need to grow up and be mature about the issue and quit bad outhing Machida on his website saying he needs to be a man and step up and say he lost, or whatever. Sho Gun will get his chance again in just a few months. But I dont think he will win.
February 4th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
i give the fight to machida he didnt gave everything like usal but he won overall hes a great fighter and i know he can beat rua again in the rematch just keep on doing what you do best lyoto fight
February 18th, 2010 at 9:19 am
To everyone who thought Rua won the fight, I have to tell you that you’re victims of the human weakness of recalling the most recent, that is, the last two rounds, as if they re-recorded over the tracks of the first three rounds. In the first three rounds, both were landing kicks, but Machida was consistently tagging Rua accurately with fist strikes, and when they hit, Rua was always momentarily stunned. Every time Rua tried to move forward and attack Machida, Machida deftly backed tracked and slipped out of reach. As a result, a big number of Rua’s swings ended up hitting air. Rua also couldn’t take down Machida to the floor, as much as he tried. He literally was embarrassing Rua, who didn’t have the lightness of foot. Machida can move like George St. Pierre. Rua fights flat-footed and heavy, moving like a brontosaurus. As a result of his style, his inability to move quickly, Rua will lose again, only more so.
The fight should have been scored as a split decision, tho.
February 24th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
look. Machida won. It isn’t always about being hit most or least. It isn’t always about aggression. Yes, those are very large factors in MMA, however! I am willing to bet that Machida did much more damage with his blows. and in regards to the champs facial cuts after the fight and why he looked so much more beat up in my opinion, it is put thusly: me, wheni started iron fist training at the ripe age of 14, my hands bled all day and night. got MESSED up. now, i can lay into brick structures and not be worried at all. If lyoto, being the most evasive fighter in MMA, almost never gets hit in the face, finally gets hit in the face, it will cause much more external looking damage. to all you naysayers of the champ, i say stuff it. the rematch is soon. my money is on machida all the way. he lives a samurai lifestyle. if he personally felt he lost the fight, bet your ass he is training like a muther trucker for the rematch.
March 5th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
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